Stroman suspended for 6 games..

[G-Snarls]

You must be joking. He just happened to throw a ball behind the head of the player that Reyes was made at? Look I love Stroman but there's no reason to be such a flagrant homer about this.

 

Agreed

 

It was intentional and a suspension was deserved

 

He made it worse by yelling back at Schowalter

[G-Snarls]

BTW, have they said who will get his missed start on Saturday?

[KingKat]

BTW, have they said who will get his missed start on Saturday?

 

Have they dropped the appeal? I assumed he would make that start and then they would drop it.

[G-Snarls]

Have they dropped the appeal? I assumed he would make that start and then they would drop it.

 

Ahh, possibly

[Governator]

Im talking about where it was. He wasn't trying to take his head off. I worded it wrong obviously, but the point is still valid. Does anything ever happen when Bautista gets hit

 

Everyone including the bat boys knew Bautista would be getting one in the ass being first up after Loup pegged Markakas the inning before. Stroman threw at his head and then had the balls to run his mouth to freaking Showalter afterward... a boneheaded rookie move. He got what was coming, more like a 1 game suspension for a starter.

[KingKat]

more like a 1 game suspension for a starter.

 

Yeah 6 games is a pretty minimal punishment for a starter. Anything less and it probably has no impact at all. Stroman isn't exactly being tarred and feathered here.

[baseballsss]

it's really not that big of a deal he'll miss one start who cares

[Mikeleelop]

Everyone including the bat boys knew Bautista would be getting one in the ass being first up after Loup pegged Markakas the inning before. Stroman threw at his head and then had the balls to run his mouth to freaking Showalter afterward... a boneheaded rookie move. He got what was coming, more like a 1 game suspension for a starter.

 

he did not run his mouth at Showalter. he responded to their dugout.

 

Baltimore pegs bautista intentionally. everyone knows it, where is discipline for O'day???

 

am I a homer, ya - but come on. no warning b4 stroman's errant pitch. now we all know what is going on in his head

 

is sanchez going to get suspended too? the guy had two HR's yesterday. we know he was sending him a message.

 

wtf people

 

players are diving into the ball really hard. pitchers have to pitch inside. sometimes people get hit. move on. Baltimore over reacted big time. They have a player who swings his bat at catchers heads then flings the bat at 3b, and they whine about a few pitches inside.

 

do we really think stroman tried to hit joseph in the head? come on, hes not stupid - that wasn't his intent anymore than Flier hitting Stanton in the face or Headley getting plunked in the chin

[Mikeleelop]

it's really not that big of a deal he'll miss one start who cares

 

that is true, however I hate the precedent of the BlueJay kid getting disciplined when it is not consistent with MLB decisions

 

Flier - fined

[jays4life19]

I don't think Stroman is innocent here but i don't think he was trying to throw at the guys head. He was most likely trying to drill him in the back to stick up for his teammate and like he has said the ball got a way from him and went up around his head instead of his back. Probably deserves the one game suspension...if he had drilled him in the ass like O'day to Joey i don't think he gets suspended.

[Governator]

he did not run his mouth at Showalter. he responded to their dugout.

 

Baltimore pegs bautista intentionally. everyone knows it, where is discipline for O'day???

 

am I a homer, ya - but come on. no warning b4 stroman's errant pitch. now we all know what is going on in his head

 

is sanchez going to get suspended too? the guy had two HR's yesterday. we know he was sending him a message.

 

wtf people

 

players are diving into the ball really hard. pitchers have to pitch inside. sometimes people get hit. move on. Baltimore over reacted big time. They have a player who swings his bat at catchers heads then flings the bat at 3b, and they whine about a few pitches inside.

 

do we really think stroman tried to hit joseph in the head? come on, hes not stupid - that wasn't his intent anymore than Flier hitting Stanton in the face or Headley getting plunked in the chin

 

 

Stroman responded to Showalter. Responding to their dugout after throwing a fastball at one of their heads is completely disrespectful and shows the intent that was behind it (obviously not trying to hit him int he head, but a revenge hit regardless). He's a rookie and got taught a lesson, much like Machado did witht he bat incident. He's missing 1 start, don't make it sound like he's gone for half a season and don't cry about it's not fair. Bautista had it coming and he knew it considering Loup pegged Markakas minutes earlier. He braced for it, took it like a man and went to first. This was Bautista's response afterward: "They should have just manned up and hit me with first pitch."

[KingKat]

I don't think Stroman is innocent here but i don't think he was trying to throw at the guys head. He was most likely trying to drill him in the back to stick up for his teammate and like he has said the ball got a way from him and went up around his head instead of his back. Probably deserves the one game suspension...if he had drilled him in the ass like O'day to Joey i don't think he gets suspended.

 

If the unwritten rule here is, "You can send a message but if you put a player's life in danger, we'll suspend you", I don't see why anyone should have a problem with it. You can raise doubts about intent and doubts about intended location. HBPs and near HBPs are never going to be black and white. There's always going to be a grey area but ultimately that grey area is reflected in the relative leniency of the suspension. The discipline is never going to be 100% coherent but that's an impossible standard anyways and that shouldn't prevent baseball from being proactive about sending a message about head hunting.

[Mikeleelop]

Stroman responded to Showalter. Responding to their dugout after throwing a fastball at one of their heads is completely disrespectful and shows the intent that was behind it (obviously not trying to hit him int he head, but a revenge hit regardless). He's a rookie and got taught a lesson, much like Machado did witht he bat incident. He's missing 1 start, don't make it sound like he's gone for half a season and don't cry about it's not fair. Bautista had it coming and he knew it considering Loup pegged Markakas minutes earlier. He braced for it, took it like a man and went to first. This was Bautista's response afterward: "They should have just manned up and hit me with first pitch."

 

I'm saying MLB is inconsistent with their "punishments" and are unable to determine intent. They can believe what they think Stroman intended, just like they believe Flier did not intend to hit two consecutive batters. I'm just saying MLB (and apparently most on this message board) think they know what Stroman intended, which is contradicted by what Stroman has said. But MLB and those on this message board believe Flier did not intentionally hit Stanton and Johnson....

 

stroman by responding showed that he is a competitive 23 year old. Not that he intended to hit joseph in the head. he was not "head hunting". if MLB believe he was head hunting and only suspended him 6 games then they are dumber then anyone could ever perceive

[KingKat]

I'm saying MLB is inconsistent with their "punishments" and are unable to determine intent. They can believe what they think Stroman intended, just like they believe Flier did not intend to hit two consecutive batters. I'm just saying MLB (and apparently most on this message board) think they know what Stroman intended, which is contradicted by what Stroman has said. But MLB and those on this message board believe Flier did not intentionally hit Stanton and Johnson....

 

stroman by responding showed that he is a competitive 23 year old. Not that he intended to hit joseph in the head. he was not "head hunting". if MLB believe he was head hunting and only suspended him 6 games then they are dumber then anyone could ever perceive

 

No one can ever 100% know what someone's intent is in cases like these. Inevitabley assumptions will be made. Some may be wrong, some may be right. The idea is to send a message GENERALLY that player's safety trumps petty rivalries and they can do that effectively without necessarily being right in every case. Stroman threw at a guy's head. He probably didn't meant to do that but it certainly seemed like he intended to hit him and he certainly did make a very dangerous throw. That's enough to justify the suspension but certainly not enough to justify a major one which is why it's limited to something manageable. Who cares if they didn't do the same thing in some other cases. Inconsistency will happen, mistakes will happen. It's not a friggin' conspiracy against the Jays. It won't really impact the Jays much at all actually.