Brett Cecil for closer?

[kgm1]

Bull Pen was bad this year. Moving Cecil up will only weaken it. If the jays had the KC bull pen this year they would be in the play off picture.

[GD]

Bull Pen was bad this year. Moving Cecil up will only weaken it. If the jays had the KC bull pen this year they would be in the play off picture.

 

nah

[GNick49]

Sanchez should be closer. He's the best we have for closer role and don't have to remove somebody from starting rotation.

[G-Snarls]

Sanchez should be closer. He's the best we have for closer role and don't have to remove somebody from starting rotation.

 

I disagree, even though he might be good at it. If he can make it as a starter he should start. We don't know that he can yet, but starter should definitely be plan A.

Edited September 15, 2014 by G-Snarls

[G-Snarls]

nah

 

GD in with another eloquent rebuttal

[bendera3]

It's silly to declare someone the 9th inning man when our general manager gets off on acquiring every available relief arm that hits the wire.

[GNick49]

I disagree, even though he might be good at it. If he can make it as a starter he should start. We don't know that he can yet, but starter should definitely be plan A.

 

Just for 2015. Other way you going to lose a good starter and go with no closer.

[kgm1]

nah[/quote

 

Between Casey ans Sergio they blew 8 saves. Holland blew 2 . don't have to even mention Davis VS McGowan

[Governator]

It's silly to declare someone the 9th inning man when our general manager gets off on acquiring every available relief arm that hits the wire.

 

Yea he snags all of the elite closers.

[jaysblue]

I disagree, even though he might be good at it. If he can make it as a starter he should start. We don't know that he can yet, but starter should definitely be plan A.

 

Yeah Sanchez has been a lock out of the pen this season, though I'd prefer to see if he could make it as a starter. I'd rather get 150-180 of quality innings out of the rotation from him next season vs. 60 superb innings out of the pen.

 

Worse case scenario, if Sanchez doesn't make it as a starter you know you have a lights out reliever. I hope they just don't mess around with him and give him every opportunity this spring to prepare as a starter.

[jaysblue]

Bull Pen was bad this year. Moving Cecil up will only weaken it. If the jays had the KC bull pen this year they would be in the play off picture.

 

Not necessarily.

 

If the Jays went out and added some value arms for the 7th/8th inning, the bullpen could be fine.

 

Go out and sign Luke Gregerson to pitch in the 8th and also another arm like Crain, Frasor, Hochevar, or Mike Adams. Also, bring in another cheap lefty like Scott Downs, Zach Duke or Tom Gorzelanny.

 

Chad Jenkins

Todd Redmond

Scott Downs/Tom Gorzelanny/Zach Duke

Jason Frasor/Jesse Crain/Mike Adams

Aaron Loup

Luke Gregerson

Brett Cecil

 

That's not a bad pen and it wouldn't cost much.

[jaysblue]

He'll save the bullpen:

 

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[G-Snarls]

He'll save the bullpen:

 

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_UJKHQG1xMDk/THx4Uw1Aq8I/AAAAAAAAAQQ/XhFhcQZXCNI/s1600/tallet.jpg

 

No

 

#NoGingers

[bendera3]

No

 

#NoGingers

 

Barney Tallet rocks the Bill Murray look well.

[GD]

I disagree, even though he might be good at it. If he can make it as a starter he should start. We don't know that he can yet, but starter should definitely be plan A.

 

There just isn't a lot to suggest that he can start.

 

Between Casey ans Sergio they blew 8 saves. Holland blew 2 . don't have to even mention Davis VS McGowan

 

How many of those games did they deserve to win?

[kgm1]

There just isn't a lot to suggest that he can start.

 

I don't disagee but I think you still have to try

 

How many of those games did they deserve to win?

 

All of them if Holland closes them out .

[GD]

All of them if Holland closes them out .

 

Sorry kgm I have no idea what I even posted. I'm dumn. What I meant was, of all the games the Jays blew, how many did they come back and win?

[kgm1]

Sorry kgm I have no idea what I even posted. I'm dumn. What I meant was, of all the games the Jays blew, how many did they come back and win?

 

Yea , good point , for sure they came back and won one . Still you put Davis in there too and the season he had is huge compared to McGowan. I still think of those games against the Royals in Late april the bull pen blew

[GD]

I feel like the difference between the guys you're talking about and average relievers are smaller than the differences between, say, a proper 2B/C.

[kgm1]

That is a deal i would explore if I'm AA. Happ plus what gets Davis. KC will need a starter

[kgm1]

I feel like the difference between the guys you're talking about and average relievers are smaller than the differences between, say, a proper 2B/C.

 

I can't disagree but you get wins where you can and the bull pen may be the cheapest easiest way to get wins

[GD]

We don't have room for a $7MM reliever.

[Gorlak]

We don't have room for a $7MM reliever.

 

I was going to say, when has AA ever spent money on a reliever? Any money needs to go towards second and left.

[kgm1]

We don't have room for a $7MM reliever.

 

Happ and Davis are almost a wash . Norris to the rotation.

[bill]

Yeah I'd sign him back at a reduced salary, if it was reasonable. Tough giving up a live arm like his for nothing. I hope they try and do something like they did with McGowan a couple of years ago.

 

If you go with morrow you have to have at least two closers because you know he will probably get injured.

[Save Dtieb]

I'm all for going with Cecil at closer. Seems like he has the pedigree. Sanchez is a starter.

[kgm1]

The bull pen rebuild will depend on the budget . 140 million would be enough to add a very good BP arm but if Rogers cheaps out then AA will have to get lucky on some BP Arms. morrow wants to start and some one will give him that chance so I still see Sanchez in the BP

[Gorlak]

The bull pen rebuild will depend on the budget . 140 million would be enough to add a very good BP arm but if Rogers cheaps out then AA will have to get lucky on some BP Arms. morrow wants to start and some one will give him that chance so I still see Sanchez in the BP

 

I don't think AA will be given an increased budget, but if he found the right deal Rodgers would okay it. Odds are no money, But you never know. also AA tries to turn relievers into starters all the time, No way he gives up on Sanchez as a starter.

[Gorlak]

they have been grooming/vetting Cecil as a closer for the last month. He is no longer used as a lefty specialist, but rather in the pivotal points of games. The org already has him pegged as the next closer.

[Dick_Pole]

There are three locks for the rotation barring injury or trade or Romero (using his name as a verb in this instance) of Dickey, MB, Stroman. Hutch and Happ are the incumbents with Sanchez and Norris to challenge and Jenkins, Redmond and Drabek filling out AAAA back up starters and long relief roles.

 

If Cecil is the closer and Sanchez gets in the rotation with Happ being the odd man out, what about turning Happ into the short man, taking over Cecil's role? It seems weird to me that with Happ there's only two options ever presented - back end starter or long relief. Happ has performed better this year than anything Cecil has done as a starter and has slightly superior stuff so it wouldn't be a jump to say he can be great in a short relief role too.

 

Trading Happ for Wade Davis goes against AA's mantra of being lazy and not getting deals done. It may make sense but there's no real salary benefit and you would be buying sky high on Davis and selling medium on Happ. Davis is essentially Happ prior to this season with Happ having the LHP premium. Let Sanchez do what he can do and let the chips fall where they may on Happ.

 

The BP would consist of Cecil, Loup, Sanchez/Happ with one or two of Jenkins, Redmond and Drabek not stinking it up in long relief hopefully. Delabar, Santos and potentially Morrow are thrown in as high upside wild cards (they can't get any more useless than this year so things can only look up for them). I think McGowan will be back (hopefully at a reduced salary) and Janssen looks very unlikely to be returning. We're already looking at 4-10 plausible options there. There's a decent chance at least 5 of those guys would come out as viable MLB bullpen contributors.

 

I don't share the pessimism that others share on the BP. Maybe one veteran guy can be added like a Darren Oliver type of signing. But that needs to be the 4th or 5th priority on this team, not the main one.