Neil Wagner??

[GeorgiaPeach]

Weird situation how a sparingly used RP needed TJS.

 

Anyone have any idea how it could've possibly happened?

[KingKat]

Weird situation how a sparingly used RP needed TJS.

 

Anyone have any idea how it could've possibly happened?

 

Someone in another thread pointing out he was ridden very hard in a short period just before the injury. Can you suddenly blow out your arm like that or does there need to be a pre-existing condition and would such a condition make the TJS just a matter of time? It's a pretty murky area. I don't know if anyone really truly undersands what causes TJS even the doctors. Efforts to reduce pitcher injuries certainly don't seem to be yielding results.

[BTS]

Who knows? Maybe asking a 1-inning guy to throw 46 and 47 pitches in outings had an impact. I mean, there must be a reason why none of Janssen, Santos, Delabar, McGowan, or Cecil have thrown more than 31, right? Or maybe it has nothing to do with it.

[burlingtonbandit]

Who knows? Maybe asking a 1-inning guy to throw 46 and 47 pitches in outings had an impact. I mean, there must be a reason why none of Janssen, Santos, Delabar, McGowan, or Cecil have thrown more than 31, right? Or maybe it has nothing to do with it.

 

My thought at the time

[KingKat]

Who knows? Maybe asking a 1-inning guy to throw 46 and 47 pitches in outings had an impact. I mean, there must be a reason why none of Janssen, Santos, Delabar, McGowan, or Cecil have thrown more than 31, right? Or maybe it has nothing to do with it.

 

Can't prove direct causation but it certainly looks careless in hindsight. It's a shame. Some pitcher have the MLB upside of cannon fodder but Wagner seemed like he could be a legit late inning guy. He deserved a better fate.

[GeorgiaPeach]

Who knows? Maybe asking a 1-inning guy to throw 46 and 47 pitches in outings had an impact. I mean, there must be a reason why none of Janssen, Santos, Delabar, McGowan, or Cecil have thrown more than 31, right? Or maybe it has nothing to do with it.

 

Throughout his pro career, it hasn't been uncommon for him to have gone more than an inning an appearance.

[KingKat]

 

Odd coincidence that those "abusive" appearances are right in the middle of arm problems.

 

Wouldn't that make them all the more abusive?

[NorthOf49]

I'm not really a believer in tying TJS to specific outings and their pitch counts. Pitchers get hurt. His elbow was probably always going to break.

[burlingtonbandit]

I'm not really a believer in tying TJS to specific outings and their pitch counts. Pitchers get hurt. His elbow was probably always going to break.

 

But you could say it broke a lot sooner than it was if the Jays didn't handle him like this.

[bendera3]

I remember when Texas was telling people they were doing it wrong with pitch counts and protecting innings. Akwardly they're entire pitching staff blew up this year. A guy I'm shocked still hasn't blown up is C.J. Wilson. He went from being a closer to throwing 200 innings every year. Hes been pretty s***** this year though.

 

C.J. Wilson will only blow up when a team bunts the entire game. He will get so frustrated his head will explode.

[John_Havok]

Weird situation how a sparingly used RP needed TJS.

 

Anyone have any idea how it could've possibly happened?

 

I'm no doctor but I'm guessing the reason is that his ligament broke.

[TDotttt2005]

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2014/09/rays-neil-wagner-agree-to-two-year-minor-league-deal.html

 

Signed with the Rays. He'll be a shutdown closer in 2016. Book it. After the jays cutting his salary 6k out of spite, as mentioned in the article above, not surprised he bolted.

[jaysfan2014]

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2014/09/rays-neil-wagner-agree-to-two-year-minor-league-deal.html

 

Signed with the Rays. He'll be a shutdown closer in 2016. Book it. After the jays cutting his salary 6k out of spite, as mentioned in the article above, not surprised he bolted.

 

Of course, it'll depend how he is then.. Rays made this deal as a high-risk/high-reward deal, considering they have no money to sign major free agents this offseason with payroll cuts coming.

[bendera3]

Of course, it'll depend how he is then.. Rays made this deal as a high-risk/high-reward deal, considering they have no money to sign major free agents this offseason with payroll cuts coming.

 

It's a good move for the Rays. They have to catch lightening in a bottle a lot more than other teams and Wagner is a good risk for them. He's not a bad pitcher and they got him for a good price.

[Caper]

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2014/09/rays-neil-wagner-agree-to-two-year-minor-league-deal.html

 

Signed with the Rays. He'll be a shutdown closer in 2016. Book it. After the jays cutting his salary 6k out of spite, as mentioned in the article above, not surprised he bolted.

 

 

 

No he won't. He was good for the Jays. But for a guy that throws that hard..... he never blew it by many guys.