Offseason roster thread 2014

[Abomination]

Sigh...

 

Thanks for reminding us. He'll be 6 million dollars better next year, right? Right???

 

That's the spirit! As much as we laugh, if he stays fairly healthy next year he actually COULD be.

[RealAccountant]

That's the spirit! As much as we laugh, if he stays fairly healthy next year he actually COULD be.

 

He was fairly healthy this year

[G-Snarls]

That's the spirit! As much as we laugh, if he stays fairly healthy next year he actually COULD be.

 

Fix the turf! Make this new turf with a massive Tampa style dirt cutout. (f*** the Argos I don't care)

 

Move Reyes to 2B

 

Trade for a quality shortstop or buy one on the international market (There are Cuban infielders defecting at an alarming rate, almost as if living in Cuba sucks or something)

 

Sanchez to the rotation

 

Keep Melky

 

Replace Thole with the Greek

 

Navarro catches 3/5 days instead of 4/5 and is DH vs LHP

 

Morrow 4.5M closer

 

The playoffs will be f***ing simple to make

Edited September 25, 2014 by G-Snarls

[Abomination]

He was fairly healthy this year

 

No he hasn't been. He hasn't missed many games, but he has/had a big shoulder problem that was apparently causing him issues when throwing the ball, and a leg issue that's made it difficult for him to move laterally in the field or steal many bases the second half.

[glory]

Would the D-Backs take Romero's contract to dump Aaron Hill? They'd save $12M in 2016 and have way too many IF as it is. Hill's value can't be that high given the type of season he had, but who knows. They dumped Prado and McCarthy for nothing.

[RealAccountant]

Would the D-Backs take Romero's contract to dump Aaron Hill? They'd save $12M in 2016 and have way too many IF as it is. Hill's value can't be that high given the type of season he had, but who knows. They dumped Prado and McCarthy for nothing.

 

Your GM wont make that move

 

We all know whats going to happen

 

1) Low ball offer to Melky, Melky rejects

2) Make some retarded trade involving a top prospect, getting an aging veteran in return

[Abomination]

Would the D-Backs take Romero's contract to dump Aaron Hill? They'd save $12M in 2016 and have way too many IF as it is. Hill's value can't be that high given the type of season he had, but who knows. They dumped Prado and McCarthy for nothing.

 

I think the only way we're dumping Romero's contract next year is if we take a big, long one in return. The Dodgers would probably take him if we traded for one of their albatross outfielder contracts. Outside of that, it seems like we're definitely stuck with it.

[G-Snarls]

I think the only way we're dumping Romero's contract next year is if we take a big, long one in return. The Dodgers would probably take him if we traded for one of their albatross outfielder contracts. Outside of that, it seems like we're definitely stuck with it.

 

So... Kemp for LF??

[RealAccountant]

So... Kemp for LF??

 

Make sure you give them Daniel Norris, to make the deal work out

[Frenchsoup]

Would the D-Backs take Romero's contract to dump Aaron Hill? They'd save $12M in 2016 and have way too many IF as it is. Hill's value can't be that high given the type of season he had, but who knows. They dumped Prado and McCarthy for nothing.

 

Sure ill trade Lawrie for Gregorious and Hill

[G-Snarls]

Poll: What will Ricky Romero be doing, and where, in 2016?

[G-Snarls]

My guess?

 

LOOGY for the Round Rock Express

[Mikeleelop]

Dalton Pompey should be the starting CF in 2015 out of spring training if the alternatives are Gose/Pillar. He already has more professional at bats and makes more solid hard contact. His defence is very close to Gose's level.

 

Why delay the inevitable??

 

Gose and Pillar are AAAA players. Not first division regulars. Gose may be a bench player used for late inning defensive replacement etc.

 

Comments???

[G-Snarls]

Dalton Pompey should be the starting CF in 2015 out of spring training if the alternatives are Gose/Pillar. He already has more professional at bats and makes more solid hard contact. His defence is very close to Gose's level.

 

Why delay the inevitable??

 

Gose and Pillar are AAAA players. Not first division regulars. Gose may be a bench player used for late inning defensive replacement etc.

 

Comments???

 

He will be given the chance to win a spot in spring training. He should probably play in the AFL in the meantime.

 

ST 2015 he has a shot at making it as starting CF or 4th OF (if Melky is retained) or LF (if Melky is not). However, more likely he starts the year in AAA.

Edited September 25, 2014 by G-Snarls

[G-Snarls]

FTR, I love prospects who zoom to prominence out of nowhere.

 

Conversely, I'm a bit tired of top 100 prospects who bust.

[KingKat]

He will be given the chance to win a spot in spring training. He should probably play in the AFL in the meantime.

 

http://m.bluejays.mlb.com/news/article/91555448/pompey-among-blue-jays-prospects-set-for-afl

 

TORONTO -- Dalton Pompey will headline the list of Blue Jays prospects participating in this year's Arizona Fall League.Pompey spent most of this season with Double-A New Hampshire, where he hit .295 with a .378 on-base percentage and eight stolen bases in 13 attempts. The native of Mississauga, Ontario, recently was promoted to Triple-A Buffalo, where he's scheduled to finish the season.

The 21-year-old is Toronto's No. 3 prospect according to MLB.com and earlier this year he was named to the SiriusXM All-Star Futures Game at Target Field in Minnesota.

"We welcome the Class of 2014 and the arrival of the Arizona Fall League's 23rd season," AFL director Steve Cobb said. "It's an exciting array of top Draft choices and Minor League All-Stars who have excelled in the early stages of their professional careers. We continue to take great pride in the role the Fall League serves in Major League Baseball's player development process.

"Approximately 60 percent of our players will reach the Major Leagues. We want fans to know top young professional talent still will be playing baseball in October and November in Arizona."

Each organization is required to send six players to the AFL. Last year, Toronto used the AFL to provide some additional innings to pitchers Drew Hutchison and Marcus Stroman to get them ready for this season.

Double-A New Hampshire infielder Jon Berti and Class A Advanced Dunedin Blue Jays left fielder Dwight Smith Jr. will also will represent the Blue Jays in the AFL. Toronto has yet to make a formal announcement on the other players who will be on the Mesa Solar Sox's roster.

[Mikeleelop]

FTR, I love prospects who zoom to prominence out of nowhere.

 

Conversely, I'm a bit tired of top 100 prospects who bust.

 

I agree, why wait - if the kid can play and contribute more than what the other options are play him!!

[glory]

Pompey in CF and Gose as the 4th OF would be great, IMO. If Gibby uses Gose the same way the Royals use Dyson, then he might be a serviceable player.

 

However, I'm almost expecting Pompey to start in LF and Gose in CF. Then against lefties Pompey will shift to CF and JMJ will play LF. It's cheap. Therefore, it's realistic.

[Mikeleelop]

this was lifted from a newspaper article written by Steve Buffery from the Toronto Sun. It is a very good summary about Rogers ownership

 

 

Lind actually said that with a straight face. The man’s sincere. But quite frankly, who really believes the Jays will be in the running for any of those guys? Rogers continues to play the game that Toronto is some sort of small or medium market and therefore can’t spend the money that the Yanks and Red Sox — two teams that are constantly in the post-season — always do. And the amazing thing about that big con job is, Rogers has actually succeeded in brainwashing a large portion of the Jays fan base, who believe it’s important for this multi-billion dollar corporation to watch their nickels and dimes. If this was New York or Boston, fans would be howling if those teams didn’t go for at least one of Lester, Scherzer or Shields ... and in a serious way, not just paying lip-service.

[ElNik2013]

this was lifted from a newspaper article written by Steve Buffery from the Toronto Sun. It is a very good summary about Rogers ownership

 

 

Lind actually said that with a straight face. The man’s sincere. But quite frankly, who really believes the Jays will be in the running for any of those guys? Rogers continues to play the game that Toronto is some sort of small or medium market and therefore can’t spend the money that the Yanks and Red Sox — two teams that are constantly in the post-season — always do. And the amazing thing about that big con job is, Rogers has actually succeeded in brainwashing a large portion of the Jays fan base, who believe it’s important for this multi-billion dollar corporation to watch their nickels and dimes. If this was New York or Boston, fans would be howling if those teams didn’t go for at least one of Lester, Scherzer or Shields ... and in a serious way, not just paying lip-service.

 

 

Team has a top 10 payroll, that should be enough to be doing better although, they're probably not the only team with a top 10 payroll that's not going to the playoffs.

 

I would have an issue with ownership regarding spending if the FO was urged to improve the team at all costs for the 2013 season and scrap whatever rebuilding plan they had, only to then get cold feet the 2nd year.

 

However, that's not an "if" that I can confirm so the team is spending enough. AA simply misfired in his big acquisitions, especially when it comes to getting an Ace in Dickey and how much he's paying guys like Buehrle and Reyes.

[saskjayfan]

Jeff Blair is talking about trading Buerhle + Money + Prospect (Norris) for a younger stud position player. I think Buehrle will be traded, possibly just for the salary relief with very little coming back, and that would be fine if we used that money to re-sign Melky and another mid-tier free agent or two. I wouldn't mind the Blair scenario, but my worst case scenario here is that they do not re-sign Melky because they say "we didn't match up on term" or whatever AA/Beestons excuse is, and then use Buerhle + Norris to replace him in LF, which would be a huge waste of assets.

 

The Jays need to go get Scherzer, Lester or Shields. No one including myself actually believes that will happen. Money does seem to matter. I would trade reyes and one of dickey or buehrle if it meant retaining melky and getting signing one of those three. Colby made 7 mil. Morrow made 8 mil, Reyes made 16 and buehrle made 18. That's 49 mil to reinvest. Half would go to a starter, Melk man would be due a 5 mil raise in year one and you would have some money to spend to rebuild your middle infield through trade or free agent signing.

[Mikeleelop]

Team has a top 10 payroll, that should be enough to be doing better although, they're probably not the only team with a top 10 payroll that's not going to the playoffs.

 

I would have an issue with ownership regarding spending if the FO was urged to improve the team at all costs for the 2013 season and scrap whatever rebuilding plan they had, only to then get cold feet the 2nd year.

 

However, that's not an "if" that I can confirm so the team is spending enough. AA simply misfired in his big acquisitions, especially when it comes to getting an Ace in Dickey and how much he's paying guys like Buehrle and Reyes.

 

top 10 payroll is not good enough. this year they needed to add $15million - if they were told to go for it in 2013, then you would realize that 2014 roster was lacking. They needed one or two more pieces and Rogers obviously had fixed payroll (the Santana fiasco this spring proved that) plus their inactivity at the trade deadline due to their constraint about not adding payroll (as confirmed by multiple sources around MLB including keith law). This show no commitment to winning - it shows the Blue Jays are run only about with the bottom line of the Rogers empire in mind

[shortstop]

Rogers runs jays on a profit loss basis. Hey, it's a business.

 

But then at the same time, subsidizes Rogers media and/or other divisions by using the jays as a content outlet for less than fair market rates.

 

shareholder win, jays lose out on extra $$'s to spend.

 

or that's just my Friday afternoon opinion.

[BTS]

top 10 payroll is not good enough. this year they needed to add $15million - if they were told to go for it in 2013, then you would realize that 2014 roster was lacking. They needed one or two more pieces and Rogers obviously had fixed payroll (the Santana fiasco this spring proved that) plus their inactivity at the trade deadline due to their constraint about not adding payroll (as confirmed by multiple sources around MLB including keith law). This show no commitment to winning - it shows the Blue Jays are run only about with the bottom line of the Rogers empire in mind

 

It's not Rogers' responsibility to keep increasing payroll because AA and Beeston can't assemble a contender with a top-10 payroll. It is, however, their responsibility to put the right people in place, and in that regard they are failing.

[shortstop]

I'd agree BTS if this was, say, the Mets situation - they got the $$'s and in a big time market, but what's the point of spending given they're still in "development" mode striving to become competitive.

 

But the jays aren't the mets & were/are in win now mode ie. this team is built to compete & win. So if rogers can up payroll but don't and instead, the profits flow into Rogers media bottomline and thus Rogers overall, then that's just sad.

[kgm1]

It's not Rogers' responsibility to keep increasing payroll because AA and Beeston can't assemble a contender with a top-10 payroll. It is, however, their responsibility to put the right people in place, and in that regard they are failing.

 

If you recall back before the Marlins deal Rogers wanted to increase payroll by signing free agents . AA stated it was too early in the rebuild which it was. The next year AA chsnges directions and makes the deals. The change in direction was clearly ownership driven. A lot of factors went into the dismal 2013 season including injuries but the main point was this move was at least 1 year too early in the rebuild. At the same time Rogers signs a hockey deal and gets a new president.

You and everyone else on this board were suggesting what could be done with the expected extra money AA was going to have to fix this team . Now we all know he had NONE. I don't like getting LIED to by Rogers. They kept stating AA had money and had Him Lie and say he had money when he didn't.

I can understand Rogers not wanting to put more money into this team until it proved itself but then at the deadline it was well reported AA had no more budget to add players. Don't lie to the fanbase.

One thing AA has done that our previous two GM,s didn't is draft some high end talent. Yes in hindsight the deals were bad and a lot of us including me stated we would not have traded that much talent away. Yes like I suggested he should have dealt Rasmus when he had value but Rogers cutting off the funds when you are 1 year into a 3 year plan was stupid on their part.

[burlingtonbandit]

It's not Rogers' responsibility to keep increasing payroll because AA and Beeston can't assemble a contender with a top-10 payroll. It is, however, their responsibility to put the right people in place, and in that regard they are failing.

 

It is their responsibility to provide money to the team if they need to add money during the season to go for the division. You can say the payroll is big and all that but when it comes time to add money during the season and you don't, that falls on ownership. Especially surrounding the circumstances of this organization and the last 20 years.

[ElNik2013]

top 10 payroll is not good enough. this year they needed to add $15million - if they were told to go for it in 2013, then you would realize that 2014 roster was lacking. They needed one or two more pieces and Rogers obviously had fixed payroll (the Santana fiasco this spring proved that) plus their inactivity at the trade deadline due to their constraint about not adding payroll (as confirmed by multiple sources around MLB including keith law). This show no commitment to winning - it shows the Blue Jays are run only about with the bottom line of the Rogers empire in mind

 

Top 10 payroll SHOULD be good enough. I did mention in my post that IF, people above AA pushed for the big flashy moves after the 2012 season and approved the payroll increase fully aware of the payroll repercussions for the following 2-3 years and then got cold feet after year 1 went sour, then IMO, it takes some of the blame off AA's back and onto ownership. However, that's a big "IF".

[burlingtonbandit]

Top 10 payroll SHOULD be good enough. I did mention in my post that IF, people above AA pushed for the big flashy moves after the 2012 season and approved the payroll increase fully aware of the payroll repercussions for the following 2-3 years and then got cold feet after year 1 went sour, then IMO, it takes some of the blame off AA's back and onto ownership. However, that's a big "IF".

 

The top 10 payroll argument for me doesn't cut it. Situations changes all the time and when it comes time that you need a player to make the team better and you don't add money, that is bad ownership. Rogers is really walking the tight rope with the fans and if fans find out Rogers stood in the way from the team getting better because they didn't want to add money then you risk losing a lot more money then if you would of just added 10-20 million in payroll.

[burlingtonbandit]

With all the back and forth that goes on about Ownership and Management this is a great time to read this article. While I am not DJF biggest fan this article captures everything perfectly.

 

http://blogs.thescore.com/djf/2014/09/26/about-last-night-and-why-we-cant-have-nice-things/