Offseason roster thread 2014

[z3r0s]

Of the options we have, the easy declines should be:

 

Santos

Morrow

 

Even when healthy neither have been effective lately.

 

Borderline Options:

 

Happ

Lind

McGowan

 

McGowan could be worth $4 million if he is a 8th inning type guy, which he could be depending how the season plays out. Lind's optioned is likely picked up because he's produced when healthy. Personally though I am frustrated with a DH who can't stay healthy and would love to see him replaced but likely not happening. Happ we should let go because we need room for young SP (Sanchez/Norris) and/or FA upgrade. I don't see either Dickey or MB being moved so the easiest move is to let Happ walk even though the better option is to keep Happ and trade one of them.

 

I don't see any way we don't pick up Lind's option. He isn't going to produce a huge amount of surplus value, but he should be worth 6.5M (salary minus buyout).

 

I'm on the record that I would keep Happ. He's inconsistent and a pain in the ass when he isn't in the rotation, but we need some depth if we are going to roll with the kids (which I would).

[KingKat]

 

McGowan could be worth $4 million if he is a 8th inning type guy, which he could be depending how the season plays out.

 

I really don't see McGowan returning anything on a 4 million investment. I think it's pretty obvious at this point that McGowan will not come back and haunt this team the way Chris Carpenter did. It's quite safe to pull the plug.

[glory]

Trade Buehrle to the Dodgers for Guerrero and League. Put Guerrero at 2B and League becomes our 7th/8th inning guy.

 

Platoon Gose and Pillar in CF.

 

Trade Navarro and go cheap at catcher (Rene Rivera from the Pads, for example).

 

Sign Melky only if he takes a three year deal.

 

Sign Brandon McCarthy.

 

Trade Happ.

[G-Snarls]

Erik Kratz with a couple of homers last night. Who knew he was good at baseball?

 

JFAS did

[G-Snarls]

I really don't see McGowan returning anything on a 4 million investment. I think it's pretty obvious at this point that McGowan will not come back and haunt this team the way Chris Carpenter did. It's quite safe to pull the plug.

 

Agree

 

Let McGowan, Morrow and Janssen walk (sucks, I like those guys, but it's the right move)

 

Try to trade Buerhle or Dickey (not both) if can get a decent return

 

Pick up Lind's option

 

Let Rasmus walk

 

Tender contracts to Kawasaki (for sure) and Reimold (probably - he shouldn't make much via arbitartion right?)

 

Get a real f***in' 2B or 3B (please for the love of God)

 

Extend Melky

 

Sign a decent BP arm or two

 

Pick up Happ's option (I can't believe I just typed that)

 

Trade for a legit 1/2 caliber starter or sign one (Shields, Lester, et al)

 

Rotation for next year becomes:

 

1 of Shields/Lester

Stroman

Sanchez

1 of Norris/Happ

1 of Dickey/Buerhle

[Terminator]

Sure at that price Rasmus would be an amazing asset. But what are the chances he signs for that amount anywhere let alone in Toronto?

 

He is the exact kind of guy that should take a 1 year deal and try to build his value, but someone will offer a multi-year deal. Nothing high enough to that he would decline a QO, but somebody will.

 

I could definitely see him signing a 1 year deal but I do agree with your sentiment about him resigning to play in Toronto.

[Terminator]

As always it depends on the numbers but resigning Melky right now would be buying high to say the least.

 

I don't like his skillset going forward either b/c if that bat is even league average (being on the wrong side of 30 with mediocre walk rates and middling power it could happen) his value craters because he is so god awful on defense.

 

Plus, there are a number of corner OF options in FA.

[kgm1]

zero chance the payroll goes down. I'll guess 140 to 145.

 

I just get the feeling Rogers will cut the budget. Attendence is down about 2000 per game which is a significant amt of revenue. The new guard at the head of Rogers corp wasn't willing to add money last offseason and with the loss in revenue and the lower Canadian dollar I firmly believe the budget goes down . Hope I'm wrong .

[Terminator]

I just get the feeling Rogers will cut the budget. Attendence is down about 2000 per game which is a significant amt of revenue. The new guard at the head of Rogers corp wasn't willing to add money last offseason and with the loss in revenue and the lower Canadian dollar I firmly believe the budget goes down . Hope I'm wrong .

 

Attendance is down? I thought we had a bunch of sellouts and it was up.

[G-Snarls]

Attendance is down? I thought we had a bunch of sellouts and it was up.

 

Me too

 

Gonna check

 

That Orioles series sold REALLY well

[G-Snarls]

Average attendance so far this season 29,514

 

Last year at this point was 32,125

 

Over the last month this year it's trending UP though.

 

If they hang around in the wildcard race the numbers will be decent

[Chappy]

Attendance is down? I thought we had a bunch of sellouts and it was up.

 

It's down overall, but let's keep in mind TV ratings are what will make or break payroll. I can't see any way rogers cuts payroll unless AA is just simply unwilling to spend the money. Cutting payroll at this point would be a death sentence.

[G-Snarls]

Figures from:

 

http://www.sportsnetwork.com/merge/tsnform.aspx?c=sportsnetwork&page=mlb/teams/040/attendance.aspx?team=040

[G-Snarls]

It's down overall, but let's keep in mind TV ratings are what will make or break payroll. I can't see any way rogers cuts payroll unless AA is just simply unwilling to spend the money. Cutting payroll at this point would be a death sentence.

 

Agree

 

TV ratings are supposedly at a 10 year high even though half of us here are no longer watching. LOL

[Terminator]

There are some SS's on the market (Jed Lowrie, JJ Hardy) that could help if we'd consider moving Reyes to 2B or the OF. Asdrubal Cabrera could be an option at 2B if we want to keep Lawrie at 3B.

[Chappy]

Agree

 

TV ratings are supposedly at a 10 year high even though half of us here are no longer watching. LOL

 

If most people are like me, the Jays game is always on but im not always watching, lol.

[KingKat]

I can't see any way rogers cuts payroll unless AA is just simply unwilling to spend the money.

 

There's the hockey thing though... We've been told it won't impact the Jays but that message sure would have been better delivered with a pre-season or deadline investment.

[KingKat]

If most people are like me, the Jays game is always on but im not always watching, lol.

 

I'm the same way and it's even worse with the NFL. In fact I'm not even going to bother turning the football games on this year because I never pay attention anyways.

[Atothe]

Lester or shields are pipe dreams lol

[burlingtonbandit]

There's the hockey thing though... We've been told it won't impact the Jays but that message sure would have been better delivered with a pre-season or deadline investment.

 

Chances are they make more money than last year though. The Blue Jays are a separate brand and if the TV ratings are up an average of 100k that is a lot of money since the Blue Jays are year to year with the TV contract since they own Sportsnet.

[KingKat]

Chances are they make more money than last year though. The Blue Jays are a separate brand and if the TV ratings are up an average of 100k that is a lot of money since the Blue Jays are year to year with the TV contract since they own Sportsnet.

 

There are a seperate brand sure but the money they make may have already been spent elsewhere is my point. I mean I don't know that more than anybody else does but I don't think the assurances that have been given are enough to discount the possibility.

[burlingtonbandit]

There are a seperate brand sure but the money they make may have already been spent elsewhere is my point. I mean I don't know that more than anybody else does but I don't think the assurances that have been given are enough to discount the possibility.

 

Well how much money did Rogers lose last year? Because I think The Blue Jays made more money this year with the increase in TV ratings and attendance should be pretty close by the time the season ends. I know the hockey deal was the reason OUA games are no longer going to be broadcasted this year.

[G-Snarls]

Lester or shields are pipe dreams lol

 

Lester totally is, I'll concede

 

Shields might be gettable

[KingKat]

Well how much money did Rogers lose last year? Because I think The Blue Jays made more money this year with the increase in TV ratings and attendance should be pretty close by the time the season ends. I know the hockey deal was the reason OUA games are no longer going to be broadcasted this year.

 

Will hockey even be profitable for Rogers or was the cost so high that it's basically a loss leader? I don't have the number but that's where I'm going with my speculation.

[burlingtonbandit]

Will hockey even be profitable for Rogers or was the cost so high that it's basically a loss leader? I don't have the number but that's where I'm going with my speculation.

 

Oh I highly doubt Rogers makes any money off that deal in the first 6 years. I think it was more to gain exclusivity and keep TSN away than anything.

[KingKat]

Oh I highly doubt Rogers makes any money off that deal in the first 6 years. I think it was more to gain exclusivity and keep TSN away than anything.

 

Which means that other profitable divisions will essentially be financing hockey.

[Chappy]

There's the hockey thing though... We've been told it won't impact the Jays but that message sure would have been better delivered with a pre-season or deadline investment.

 

I don't buy that their investment in Hockey took away funds from the Jays. The Jays are a separate entity that yields profits for Rogers in a variety of ways considering they own the team, stadium, and TV. It wouldn't really make much business sense for them to potentially lose millions in profits because they wanted to all of a sudden penny pinch. In fact their actions signify that they are more than willing to spend, they just need to see results along the way which I believe they have.

[Chappy]

Which means that other profitable divisions will essentially be financing hockey.

 

Sure, but cutting back and potentially losing millions along the way just doesn't make much sense unless Rogers is facing a cash flow crisis.

[KingKat]

Sure, but cutting back and potentially losing millions along the way just doesn't make much sense unless Rogers is facing a cash flow crisis.

 

It is that crazy to think they just might? That's a hell of an expense that they took on out of the blue.

[Chappy]

It is that crazy to think they just might? That's a hell of an expense that they took on out of the blue.

 

It certainly was, but if they are facing a cash flow problem as a result then everyone involved in the purchase should be fired. Companies do stupid things all the time, so anything is possible. I just don't believe payroll will go down until the TV ratings start to plummet.