Consolidated trade deadline thread

[Sammy225]

I just stopped posting about Rogers not having money because no matter what evidence was brought up there would still be people saying they won't believe it.

 

Its like saying you don't know for sure Ray Rice beat up his fiancee in the elevator even though there is a video of him dragging her unconscious body out by her hair. You can pretty well say because of her being dragged out unconscious that she was beated but untill you see the video you don't know she was.

 

Shut up she just fell head first into my fist.... Clumbsy bitch

[jays76]

I love Tim Micallef but him suggesting he would trade Stroman for Lester straight up is terrible. 2 months of Lester for 6 years of Stroman would be awful and not a large enough improvement even in the short term.

 

Huge fan of Tim & Sid but even I thought that was extreme, and I've been on here today suggesting it would be good to unload prospects without touching Stro & Sanchez. Both of his call ins (Wilner & Rogers from mlb.com) even suggested Sanchez for Lester.

[KingKat]

Sanchez for Lester.

 

Lol. I would love to see the suplus value calculation for Boston on that deal.

[jays76]

Exactly. Rogers can do what they want, it is their team. Even though I don't agree with that strategy as I think an extra few million $ right now could make them tens of millions in the next few years.

 

That's exactly how I feel, yes it's their business and they have to be fiscally responsible as it boils down to profit but you have to make some calculated risks dependent on the current potential opportunities that are available. Cough up the goddamn money!

[burlingtonbandit]

Huge fan of Tim & Sid but even I thought that was extreme, and I've been on here today suggesting it would be good to unload prospects without touching Stro & Sanchez. Both of his call ins (Wilner & Rogers from mlb.com) even suggested Sanchez for Lester.

 

Well if you ultimately think of Sanchez as a reliever that trade makes it easier to pull the trigger. Even though the stuff looks great you can't ignore his Minor league numbers and his inability to throw strikes.

[pickoff22]

Moogy doesn't really defend the organization at all costs. He's very argumentative but to his credit, he doesn't really seem to have any set targets. He just very stubbornly defends whatever side of a particular argument he's on.

 

Very true.

[burlingtonbandit]

Where lots of people are making a mistake is in the thinking that we are 1 piece away from making the playoffs. You should not be unloading your farm simply to make the playoffs, you should be doing it to win the world series. Yes I know you need to get in to have a shot, but realistically the Jays have no depth to go on a prolonged run in October. The Jays should really be biding their time and let the young kids spell the end of the old core of pitchers in Buerhle, Dickey and Happ and rebuild around a starting 5 that is young, improving and controllable for the foreseeable future. How anyone can not see this is beyond me.

 

As with the Giants a few years ago anything can happen in the playoffs. If this team gets hot like in May, I could see them going for in the playoffs. I think you make a move to win the division and that should be the goal.

 

You shouldn't rely on rebuilding a few years from now, especially with pitching as two of the arms you are relying on could have TJS and be gone just like that. If you have a shot you should go for it because you may never be in that position again. That being said I'm not advocating giving up the farm for a rental, just that you shouldn't rely on a young rotation and always build for the future.

[Deadpool]

Well if you ultimately think of Sanchez as a reliever that trade makes it easier to pull the trigger. Even though the stuff looks great you can't ignore his Minor league numbers and his inability to throw strikes.

 

I don't think Lester is a "definite World Series win" kind of player, and unless we're getting that sort of player, I'm not really willing to move Sanchez (who has an uncertain future, but even as only a reliever, would be a VERY solid reliever). Lester is a nice piece, but not for long enough of a term to surrender Sanchez.

[jays76]

Where lots of people are making a mistake is in the thinking that we are 1 piece away from making the playoffs. You should not be unloading your farm simply to make the playoffs, you should be doing it to win the world series. Yes I know you need to get in to have a shot, but realistically the Jays have no depth to go on a prolonged run in October. The Jays should really be biding their time and let the young kids spell the end of the old core of pitchers in Buerhle, Dickey and Happ and rebuild around a starting 5 that is young, improving and controllable for the foreseeable future. How anyone can not see this is beyond me.

 

Tim & Sid, Wilner, Ken Rogers @ MLB.com disagree, and now Casey Janssen (as reported today on Prime Time Sports). Me personally I think if that 1 piece is David Price it very well could be the difference of making the playoffs and especially increases your chances of winning the World Series. Does Lester do it? Perhaps but to a lesser degree. I'm all for the young controllable pitchers a la St. Louis Cardinals but people forget they had Chris Carpenter leading the charge for years. The motto today on all these shows for the Jays is we're in a real pennant race so let's go, and that's where I'm at...Let's Go!

[Terminator]

Jays in on Lester?

 

 

And from Sean McAdam:

St. Louis, Seattle, Baltimore and the Los Angeles Dodgers are widely thought to be in on Lester, but industry sources say the Red Sox also have received interest from another handful of clubs, led by Milwaukee, Atlanta, Oakland and Toronto.

 

Of those, a source indicated, Toronto has been the most aggressive in its interest.

[jays76]

Lets go short term, lets say you have to move 2 of the following 3 for Lester (Norris, Sanchez, Pompey) tell me what the rotation looks like next year assuming Lester bolts as a free agent?

 

I don't like the thought of giving up Stro or Sanchez, for me even all the media buzz today pressuring the Jays to do something is a little too much. To give up Norris & Pompey, I say let's f***ing go for it! We have good young pitchers in Stro, Sanchez, Hutch (even though he drives me crazy) plus we have the old guard (Dickey, Buehrle, *Lester). I like that mix to make a run this year, yeah it sucks giving up Norris & Pompey but we're making a serious run here at a WS. In the offseason let's deal with the Dickey/Buerhle situation then dependent on how far we go this playoff run.

[burlingtonbandit]

Lets go short term, lets say you have to move 2 of the following 3 for Lester (Norris, Sanchez, Pompey) tell me what the rotation looks like next year assuming Lester bolts as a free agent?

 

Stroman

Dickey

Hutchison

Buerhle (could trade him)

Free Agent

[Terminator]

I don't like the thought of giving up Stro or Sanchez, for me even all the media buzz today pressuring the Jays to do something is a little too much. To give up Norris & Pompey, I say let's f***ing go for it! We have good young pitchers in Stro, Sanchez, Hutch (even though he drives me crazy) plus we have the old guard (Dickey, Buehrle, *Lester). I like that mix to make a run this year, yeah it sucks giving up Norris & Pompey but we're making a serious run here at a WS. In the offseason let's deal with the Dickey/Buerhle situation then dependent on how far we go this playoff run.

 

Man you have to consider it.

 

Nolin and Nay would be better but not sure it would get it done.

[burlingtonbandit]

I don't like the thought of giving up Stro or Sanchez, for me even all the media buzz today pressuring the Jays to do something is a little too much. To give up Norris & Pompey, I say let's f***ing go for it! We have good young pitchers in Stro, Sanchez, Hutch (even though he drives me crazy) plus we have the old guard (Dickey, Buehrle, *Lester). I like that mix to make a run this year, yeah it sucks giving up Norris & Pompey but we're making a serious run here at a WS. In the offseason let's deal with the Dickey/Buerhle situation then dependent on how far we go this playoff run.

 

You would trade both Norris and Pompey but not Sanchez? Norris and Pompey are ranked ahead of Sanchez by some publications. If I have my choice I would chose Sanchez but that is my opinion.

[jays76]

You would trade both Norris and Pompey but not Sanchez? Norris and Pompey are ranked ahead of Sanchez by some publications. If I have my choice I would chose Sanchez but that is my opinion.

 

I really like Sanchez...a lot! It would be a tough last minute decision. Hell I love that the Jays are in this position though.

[jays76]

If there was a time to pull this Lester trade off it's definitely now with us playing the Red Sox, I'm sure AA is doing a lot of chatting this series and It'd be great if he catches that flight out of town to Houston with us..

[burlingtonbandit]

Wouldn't it be funny if the Jays got Lester tonight or tomorrow and then he started against the Red Sox tomorrow.

[G-Snarls]

Wouldn't it be funny if the Jays got Lester tonight or tomorrow and then he started against the Red Sox tomorrow.

 

That would be awesome

 

Would be so weird at Fenway that night

[Atothe]

Jim Bowden is unreliable. Miami???? Wtf. Why? For what reason?

[leaffie]

That would be awesome

 

Would be so weird at Fenway that night

 

xm reporting that Lester will not make his start tomorrow against the Jays. Didn't know anymore than this board about where he was going, but that was latest.

[Daniel Labude]

Nolin, nay, norris for Lester would be about the most I would give up for 2 months of Lester

[North of 60]

I think the Red Sox's asking price would be pretty high. I'm thinking Sanchez + Hutchison + another low level prospect. It's not Baseball Mogul where Pillar + Kawasaki + Glenn + Mills + Romero + Delabar + a team bus + 50 lbs of baseballs + a ball boy to be named later is going to get it done.

[JaysFan4Ever]

This sounds like one of those "if you've heard a rumour it's not true" kind of AA deals. It's probably more speculation or some team leaking some info to try and increase Lester's value slightly or make it look like there's more people in on it to force a team to pony up a better deal.

 

He'd be great to have but why on earth would the BoSox trade him within the division unless they're getting a huge payday and why would the Jays pick him up when he can walk a couple months from now, potentially back to the BoSox, and cost the Jays some good pieces?

 

As for him not making his start against the Jays, it could be something is up on the trade front, or maybe they're going to skip his start and have him go against a team that didn't just hand the Sox their asses offensively hoping he can pitch better and increase his value? Or maybe he's tired/stiff and they're skipping his start/pushing it back for no real reason.

[HERPDERP]

Ignore all the Jays-Lester rumors.

 

It's all a way to drive up the price. Everyone knows how adept the front office is at media manipulation.

[Sammy225]

I am trying to figure out how we can despair them to lower the price.

[JaysFan4Ever]

AA will despair them by waiting until the Sox or whatever team acquires him, signs him to an extension, then AA will trade for him, give up prospects and take on more money than he would want to give in a FA contract. That's how!

[Frenchsoup]

I think the Red Sox's asking price would be pretty high. I'm thinking Sanchez + Hutchison + another low level prospect. It's not Baseball Mogul where Pillar + Kawasaki + Glenn + Mills + Romero + Delabar + a team bus + 50 lbs of baseballs + a ball boy to be named later is going to get it done.

 

That makes no sense.....

[Deadpool]

Nolin, nay, norris for Lester would be about the most I would give up for 2 months of Lester

 

I think the Red Sox's asking price would be pretty high. I'm thinking Sanchez + Hutchison + another low level prospect. It's not Baseball Mogul where Pillar + Kawasaki + Glenn + Mills + Romero + Delabar + a team bus + 50 lbs of baseballs + a ball boy to be named later is going to get it done.

 

Nolin, Nay, Norris... I'd consider... It would be about the most I'd consider though...

 

Sanchez + Hutchinson would be an absolute no.

 

2 Months of a top 10 pitcher (not Kershaw or Halladay in his prime pitcher) isn't worth a single sure thing asset, it's worth a few "could be good" assets.

[TBJ12]

Nolin, Nay, Norris... I'd consider... It would be about the most I'd consider though...

 

I wouldn't even consider giving up that package for 2 months of Lester.

[burlingtonbandit]

I don't think Hutchison would be part of the trade. He is like Stroman in that we have already seen he can produce at the MLB level. He is inconsistent but has shown he can be a #3 starter. If I have a choice I include Sancez before any trade involving Hutch.