Padres wanted Juan Francisco and two low end prospects for Headley.

[Spoonovic]

Last Wednesday John Gibbons said the Toronto Blue Jays were “in on” Chase Headley before the former San Diego Padre was ultimately traded to the New York Yankees.

 

The Jays manager may not know just how close his club really was.

 

According to Bob Elliot of the Toronto Sun, the Blue Jays could’ve acquired the third baseman had they so desired.

 

The deal would’ve involved giving up Juan Francisco and two low-end prospects, Elliot reports, and the Padres also would’ve been willing to pay all the remaining money owed on Headley’s contract.

 

Headley earns $10.525 million, with roughly $4 million still owed to him this season. When he was traded to New York for Yangervis Solarte and minor-league pitcher Rafael De Paula, the Padres agreed to pay $1 million of that remaining salary.

 

The 30-year-old was hitting a slash line of .229/.296/.355 with 32 RBI and seven home runs in 77 games played with the Padres before getting dealt.

 

In five games with the Yankees, Headley is batting .368/.368/.474 with two doubles in 19 at-bats.

 

The Blue Jays conclude their three-game series with the Yankees in New York on Sunday.

 

http://www.sportsnet.ca/baseball/mlb/report-blue-jays-couldve-acquired-headley/

[Terminator]

Hmm I'm not sure about that one. Given Headley's play you can't even be certain that he's much of an improvement over Francisco who we have under control. I'd probably pass as well.

[HERPDERP]

Hmm I'm not sure about that one. Given Headley's play you can't even be certain that he's much of an improvement over Francisco who we have under control. I'd probably pass as well.

 

Oh comon

 

Headley > Francisco everyday

 

the only part that makes hesitate are the two prospects

[JaysFan4Ever]

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The two "low end" prospects is what would be of interest to me. That seems like a relative term. They might tank like some of the prospect given away or in the system. Francisco has fallen a lot but like mentioned he's under team control next year and a few more, Headley has been injured, hasn't shown his best stuff, and can walk to FA next year and will cost at least what he made this year since someone will likely pay him that, if not, more than Lawrie and Francisco combined. I can't see parting with Francisco plus two prospects for a couple months of a guy who could wind up leaving anyway. Maybe if he was one of those players who would single handed push the Jays into first, you might do it, but it seems like giving up a guy with some raw power, who if he can get his head together, maybe after a full year in the bigs, might be able to cut down on the strike outs. Plus the Jays' luck he'd come over and reinjure himself.

[Terminator]

Oh comon

 

Headley > Francisco everyday

 

the only part that makes hesitate are the two prospects

 

Yeah probably but 2 months of Headley vs. a controllable Francisco makes it closer.

 

EDIT: Then you've got the prospects on top of it, whoever those prospects may have been.

Edited July 27, 2014 by Terminator

[xposbrad]

Oh comon

 

Headley > Francisco everyday

 

the only part that makes hesitate are the two prospects

 

Not really, you have to factor in team control and salary for the full picture.

[HERPDERP]

Yeah probably but 2 months of Headley vs. a controllable Francisco makes it closer.

 

EDIT: Then you've got the prospects on top of it, whoever those prospects may have been.

 

You make it sound like Francisco is a stud that you hold on to. He's not. Don't get fooled by his 16 home runs. Most of those home runs came on a hot streak early this season.

 

Headley is a guy who helps us NOW.

[BTS]

I don't really see Francisco as much of an asset. He'll probably make $3-4 million via arb next year, and is a guy who can maybe provide slightly above-average DH production as a platoon guy. Maybe.

[metafour]

 

Headley is a guy who helps us NOW.

 

Headley helps us now? Francisco has been having the more productive season. Offensively its not close; WAR is about equal because Headley is being carried by his defense.

[CJ-Freeway]

Headley helps us now? Francisco has been having the more productive season. Offensively its not close; WAR is about equal because Headley is being carried by his defense.

 

Yes but Headley is a right handed bat so he would have been more useful in our lineup, as opposed to Francisko who K's automatically vs LHP.

[Terminator]

You make it sound like Francisco is a stud that you hold on to. He's not. Don't get fooled by his 16 home runs. Most of those home runs came on a hot streak early this season.

 

Headley is a guy who helps us NOW.

 

Oh come on now, I never said Francisco was a stud.

[Terminator]

I don't really see Francisco as much of an asset. He'll probably make $3-4 million via arb next year, and is a guy who can maybe provide slightly above-average DH production as a platoon guy. Maybe.

 

I thought he was still cheap for some reason. That definitely lessens his value. But he's going to have about a 2 WAR season this year.

 

He may not be able to replicate this, but just turning 27 maybe he can.

[metafour]

Yes but Headley is a right handed bat so he would have been more useful in our lineup, as opposed to Francisko who K's automatically vs LHP.

 

Headley is hitting .229/.289/.371 vs. LHP this year. More useful my ass. Last year it was .248/.327/.436.

 

That is your definition of an upgrade? Francisco has a .912 OPS vs RHP this year. I'd rather keep that and find a more useful player to help against LHP if that is your prerogative.

[HERPDERP]

Aaron Sanchez? In this bandbox?

 

pls no

[CJ-Freeway]

Headley is hitting .229/.289/.371 vs. LHP this year. More useful my ass. Last year it was .248/.327/.436.

 

That is your definition of an upgrade? Francisco has a .912 OPS vs RHP this year. I'd rather keep that and find a more useful player to help against LHP if that is your prerogative.

 

s***, I didn't know he was only hitting that against LHP. f*** this trade then, lol.

[G-Snarls]

Aaron Sanchez? In this bandbox?

 

pls no

 

LOL your GDT related posts are in every thread

[HERPDERP]

I swear I deleted it ;(

[kgm1]

Note the fact the Padres were paying all his salary. Yanks got him for the two players but only 1 mil of salary relief. That makes me think those low end prospects were probably Low A or rookie league studs.

 

Headley for Fransisco I would have done in an instant hoping he would rake in the AL

[Candy Maldonado]

I swear I deleted it ;(

 

lol I've done that a couple of times.

[Stangstag]

Why should we believe what Bob Elliot says? He is likely talking out of his ass

[ElNik2013]

Why should we believe what Bob Elliot says? He is likely talking out of his ass

 

 

Exactly. At the end of the day, people believe what they want to when they want to. Some choose to believe the report that the Jays pursued Anibal Sanchez before going to the Marlins to talk about JJ, some choose not to. Just an example.

[ElNik2013]

Depends on who those prospects were, but I would think if the Jays didn't want to part with these 'spects, they could've just assumed more of Headley's remaining contract.

 

I guess they want to neither take on $$$ nor give up prospects to compensate for not taking on $$.

[GeorgiaPeach]

You make it sound like Francisco is a stud that you hold on to. He's not. Don't get fooled by his 16 home runs. Most of those home runs came on a hot streak early this season.

 

Headley is a guy who helps us NOW.

 

Wouldn't Francisco help us in the future when it's time to cut ties with an overpaid, old, broken Adam Lind? Buy Lind out, move on and save a few mil for another target. And yes, the prospects would also be a major determinant whether the trade was worth it.

[Dick_Pole]

If by "low level" he means guys who the Jays gave up for Happ or lower, then yes this deal should have been done in a heartbeat, if true and not just posturing of a home town sports reporter trying to make news from unreliable sources. I don't see why this would even be a debate. Headley provides much more reliable defense. Francisco is a replaceable player that can be acquired cheaply, as evidenced by the fact that the Jays got him for nothing after he was released.

 

Amazing that people can talk pretty freely about selling high on Janssen and Buehlre but selling high on Fransisco (getting anything for him) is met with anything other than 100% agreement that it was a great possible trade. Janssen's a consistent reliever year after year, something that this team has struggled with despite higher than deserved focus on acquiring bullpen arms. The Jays have had no problems acquiring and/or producing guys who hit .250, hit a bunch of bombs and strike out a ton.

[guylaroche5]

if that was the real asking price i have no idea why AA turned that down other than to appease the dominican clique

[John_Havok]

If by "low level" he means guys who the Jays gave up for Happ or lower, then yes this deal should have been done in a heartbeat, if true and not just posturing of a home town sports reporter trying to make news from unreliable sources. I don't see why this would even be a debate. Headley provides much more reliable defense. Francisco is a replaceable player that can be acquired cheaply, as evidenced by the fact that the Jays got him for nothing after he was released.

 

Amazing that people can talk pretty freely about selling high on Janssen and Buehlre but selling high on Fransisco (getting anything for him) is met with anything other than 100% agreement that it was a great possible trade. Janssen's a consistent reliever year after year, something that this team has struggled with despite higher than deserved focus on acquiring bullpen arms. The Jays have had no problems acquiring and/or producing guys who hit .250, hit a bunch of bombs and strike out a ton.

 

I'm somewhat split on the whole Janssen thing. Dude is nailz with his results, but he's also having a season where he's a much more flyball/contact than he has been in the past, and part of me wonders if that's not a sign of his stuff maybe losing a bit of effectiveness from his injury, or just a small sample size aberration.

 

It's not the worst idea in the world to trade a soon to be 33+ year old closer without dominating stuff who could turn into a pumpkin pretty easily, but the time to have done that would have been in the offseason, probably not right now when the Jays are in a wildcard spot. Thing is, not trading him now means you either have to QO him and risk paying him 15 million for next year, or hope he declines and get a pick. I doubt he declines given the crap that other guys have gone through recently with the whole QO business coupled with the fact that he's not your typical fireball/strikeout closer that teams look for and will be reluctant to part with a pick for him, in addition to the probably 7-9 million per year that his agent will be asking for. Chances are Casey is not re-signed and the Jays will get nothing in return.

[Abomination]

Wouldn't Francisco help us in the future when it's time to cut ties with an overpaid, old, broken Adam Lind? Buy Lind out, move on and save a few mil for another target. And yes, the prospects would also be a major determinant whether the trade was worth it.

 

I'm kind of wondering if this might be in consideration for this off-season, although I think they get something for Lind via trade. Probably saves 4+ mil. Some potential drop in the bat, but probably not enough to make up for the salary difference if it's spent wisely.

[Dick_Pole]

I'm somewhat split on the whole Janssen thing. Dude is nailz with his results, but he's also having a season where he's a much more flyball/contact than he has been in the past, and part of me wonders if that's not a sign of his stuff maybe losing a bit of effectiveness from his injury, or just a small sample size aberration.

 

It's not the worst idea in the world to trade a soon to be 33+ year old closer without dominating stuff who could turn into a pumpkin pretty easily, but the time to have done that would have been in the offseason, probably not right now when the Jays are in a wildcard spot. Thing is, not trading him now means you either have to QO him and risk paying him 15 million for next year, or hope he declines and get a pick. I doubt he declines given the crap that other guys have gone through recently with the whole QO business coupled with the fact that he's not your typical fireball/strikeout closer that teams look for and will be reluctant to part with a pick for him, in addition to the probably 7-9 million per year that his agent will be asking for. Chances are Casey is not re-signed and the Jays will get nothing in return.

 

I doubt there will be a QO, but I do think the Jays have a good shot at re-signing him, and if it's something in the 3 year $20-25M range I think that would be doable.

[burlingtonbandit]

I'm kind of wondering if this might be in consideration for this off-season, although I think they get something for Lind via trade. Probably saves 4+ mil. Some potential drop in the bat, but probably not enough to make up for the salary difference if it's spent wisely.

 

Way to big a drop in talent to save 4 million. They both can't hit lefties, but Lind hits Righties wayyyy better. Remember when Francisco was striking out like 40% of the time for a month and a half stretch.

[Abomination]

Way to big a drop in talent to save 4 million. They both can't hit lefties, but Lind hits Righties wayyyy better. Remember when Francisco was striking out like 40% of the time for a month and a half stretch.

 

That's only useful when Lind isn't injured though remember, and also doesn't take into account what Lind might bring in trade (not a blue chip prospect, but not org guys either). This last one with his foot was a fluke, but he seems to have a really bad back which is almost guaranteed to pop up at least a few times a year. I don't think it's unreasonable to suggest that Francisco could provide equal overall value over the course of an average year, especially when you add in the ability to kind of fill in at 3rd periodically. I'd be sad to see Lind go (I was probably one of the few that didn't want him DFA'd a few years ago), but I can see an argument for trading him and going with Francisco.