Dickey to pitch on Sunday instead of Happ

[ElNik2013]

Or maybe the people who pitched him to throw the 2nd most starts? Maybe that.

 

 

It's probably the same people who decided he'd be the OD starter 2 seasons in a row, which is usually given to team Aces...

[G-Snarls]

Or maybe the people who pitched him to throw the 2nd most starts? Maybe that.

 

Pretty sure the number of days missed due to injuries will have more to do with # starts accumulated than what "number" they've each been assigned. Buerhle will almost certainly start more games than anyone even though he wasn't our opening day starter. Morrow will start the fewest even though most would have considered him our #2 to start the season.

[G-Snarls]

If only we still had Henderson Alvarez

 

Yeah he's good, but so is Buehlre

 

Josh Johnson's implosion last year is what really makes the pitching part of the trade so sour

[TwistedLogic]

Happ has looked anything but good over the last few starts and Dickey has looked decent.

 

And who decided that he has "looked anything but good over the last few starts"? You? Two starts ago, he kept the Jays in the game where they eventually swept the Brewers. Three starts ago, he obliterated the White Sox. Five starts ago, he pitched 6 innings of 1-hit ball against the O's. Everyone was going into his most recent start with optimism, saying he's been good lately and they're expecting to see the Jays beat the Angels on that day. This whole sky-is-falling/Happ-is-garbage mentality being displayed in this thread literally developed over his single most recent start.

 

Tell it like it is: reactionary ********.

[sh3156]

Maybe I am wrong, and forgive me if I am

 

but if Dickey is ranked in the mid60s in starter WAR, wouldn't that mean he is just one good start away from being in the top 60?

 

Since there are 30 teams, wouldn't that mean that Dickey would be an average no.2 starter????

[G-Snarls]

And who decided that he has "looked anything but good over the last few starts"? You? Two starts ago, he kept the Jays in the game where they eventually swept the Brewers. Three starts ago, he obliterated the White Sox. Five starts ago, he pitched 6 innings of 1-hit ball against the O's. Everyone was going into his most recent start with optimism, saying he's been good lately and they're expecting to see the Jays beat the Angels on that day. This whole sky-is-falling/Happ-is-garbage mentality being displayed in this thread literally developed over his single most recent start.

 

Tell it like it is: reactionary ********.

 

And there you go over-generalizing again

 

We've all said, all year, that both Happ and Dickey have been frustrating with a tendency to have some really good starts and some really bad ones. You never know what you're going to get any given day from either of them.

 

Over the last few weeks, I think (and obviously so does Gibby) that Dickey has been better than Happ. Here there is one important game in Tampa before an extended period of rest. He would really like to win it. He has chosen to give the start to Dickey instead of Happ because he thinks Dickey is more likely than Happ to help us win that game. Most of us think that's a good idea. What YOU'RE saying/intimating is that we're all a bunch of over-reactionary idiots, because we like this move by Gibby.

[TwistedLogic]

What YOU'RE saying/intimating is that we're all a bunch of over-reactionary idiots, because we like this move by Gibby.

 

No, I didn't imply at any point that people are stupid for liking this move by Gibbons. I implied that people are stupid for changing their stance and opinion of a pitcher on a start-by-start basis, and that I wouldn't be surprised if the opposite was once again true a week or two from now.

[admin]

Dickey sucks. Anyone that defends him gets banned. Mods included.

 

In all seriousness, I still have zero faith in Dickey but in his first four games he gave up 5+ runs three times.

Since then he's had a 3.28ERA over 15 starts.

That being said there was atleast two occassions off the top of my head he was bailed out. Those two times bases loaded and no outs.

So his ERA could just as easily be closer to four, which still isn't too bad.

From June 26 on, last year, he had a 3.46ERA.

 

Still the fact he can blow up any minute for four runs scares the s*** out of me. Even if he's cruising along after five innings, you wonder when it's coming.

ANd I'm sure the players have the same uneasy feeling.

[BigCecil]

Dickey sucks. Anyone that defends him gets banned. Mods included.

 

In all seriousness, I still have zero faith in Dickey but in his first four games he gave up 5+ runs three times.

Since then he's had a 3.28ERA over 15 starts.

That being said there was atleast two occassions off the top of my head he was bailed out. Those two times bases loaded and no outs.

So his ERA could just as easily be closer to four, which still isn't too bad.

From June 26 on, last year, he had a 3.46ERA.

 

Still the fact he can blow up any minute for four runs scares the s*** out of me. Even if he's cruising along after five innings, you wonder when it's coming.

ANd I'm sure the players have the same uneasy feeling.

 

Name me a successful pitcher that doesn't get bailed out a time or two. Part of the game.

 

He hasn't been anywhere near as bad as a lot of posters state...the issues for him are the expectations and prospect(still MLB unproven) cost of getting him, and his trick pitch which has little cred with some.

[G-Snarls]

Name me a successful pitcher that doesn't get bailed out a time or two. Part of the game.

 

He hasn't been anywhere near as bad as a lot of posters state...the issues for him are the expectations and prospect(still MLB unproven) cost of getting him, and his trick pitch which has little cred with some.

 

Gibby also usually doesn't give him the chance to bail himself out, for better or worse. This has limited his innings.

[admin]

Name me a successful pitcher that doesn't get bailed out a time or two. Part of the game.

 

He hasn't been anywhere near as bad as a lot of posters state...the issues for him are the expectations and prospect(still MLB unproven) cost of getting him, and his trick pitch which has little cred with some.

 

Those are two off the top of my head, there were more than two.

Yes expectations were high, we acquired an ACE, we gave up prospects for an ACE. I simply can't stand when people here say, "If you drop your expectations for him he's not bad." My expectations for him were to be an ace. We traded for an ace. If Dickey had a 4ERA for the past 3 years and we gave up a couple mid level prospects, then I would say okay, Dickey has done his role. But we blew two high rated prospects to acquire an ace.

 

On top of that, no he hasnt' been too bad, it's the fact that he's inconsistent and you're sitting there wondering what inning he's going to have his meltdown.

 

Gibby also usually doesn't give him the chance to bail himself out, for better or worse. This has limited his innings.

 

IMO Gibby has pulled him at the right time. All the sudden everyone's hitting off him, guys are walking, get him out. Look at his numbers in the later innings, it's not a coincidence and odds are against him that he'll bail himself out.

[ElNik2013]

Gibby also usually doesn't give him the chance to bail himself out, for better or worse. This has limited his innings.

 

 

 

I actually think the opposite is true as I think Gibby has left him too long several times. It bothered me more when he kept pulling him too late after he had been burned several times earlier in the year by leaving him in to get out of trouble.

 

Thing with Gibby is, he sometimes pulls guys too early, like Stroman against the White Sox, and sometimes too late. Hindsight you may say, but it's more about the lack of consistency for me. Take Wednesday vs the Angels for example, up by 1, 7th inning, runner on, lets Loup face Pujols. Last night, 7th inning, up by 3, 2 out and won't let Cecil face Longoria with Loney on deck.

 

 

Anyway, I veered away from Dickey towards Gibby....my bad.

[BigCecil]

Those are two off the top of my head, there were more than two.

Yes expectations were high, we acquired an ACE, we gave up prospects for an ACE. I simply can't stand when people here say, "If you drop your expectations for him he's not bad." My expectations for him were to be an ace. We traded for an ace. If Dickey had a 4ERA for the past 3 years and we gave up a couple mid level prospects, then I would say okay, Dickey has done his role. But we blew two high rated prospects to acquire an ace.

 

On top of that, no he hasnt' been too bad, it's the fact that he's inconsistent and you're sitting there wondering what inning he's going to have his meltdown.

 

I don't disagree that we paid an Ace price and he hasn't been what he was for the Mets and he sure hasn't been an "ace". But whats done is done. Now he is a very solid 2-4 SP depending on the stretch he is in.

 

Some Mets fans are probably complaining about their return and saying "We were getting top prospects who would be MLB impacting for our ACE". D'arnaud looking better since recalled and Syndergaard may be as billed. We will see.

[admin]

Yeah but with prospects they are still a gamble, but you trade for what should be proven.

Agree after accept the trade he hasn't been too bad, but I still think this team needs an ace,

Buehrle has been our only consistent starter, and that's kinda scary since he's pitching over his head.

[BigCecil]

Yeah but with prospects they are still a gamble, but you trade for what should be proven.

Agree after accept the trade he hasn't been too bad, but I still think this team needs an ace,

Buehrle has been our only consistent starter, and that's kinda scary since he's pitching over his head.

 

no argument against that from me!

 

the debate on this board I see is what to give up to get one this year if we need one at all, because we may not really in it at all still with the injuries we have sustained.

 

Others say no deal for frontline SP that costs top prospects and they look to the future young rotation to build on....

[G-Snarls]

And Dickey is going again tonight?

 

This I don't agree with. Everyone is rested. Why?

[G-Snarls]

Gibby ♥'s Dickey

[jb22]

they are what we thought they were (right Denny Green?) - the #3 and 4 starters of a quality rotation (despite Buehrle outperforming that so far this year). They're just missing the 1 and 2 (Hutch has that #2 potential. Stroman has closer potential).

 

At the time of the trade no one thought Dickey was a true talent #3/4 starter. #3/4's don't put up back-to-back seasons like he had for the Mets culminating in his Cy young award.

 

As for the Stroman comment, what has he done since being inserted into the rotation to make you believe he's a potential closer and not a starter? His size? Cuz it's certainly not statistically backed.