We need a 3B more than anything else

[BTS]

Seems like Rogers is handcuffing AA. It would be in Rogers best interests to spend the money and go for it. Look how the city rallied around the Raptors playoff season and imagine topping that because the Blue Jays have a much bigger fan base.

 

Also it seems like 85-88 wins could win the division this year. You know that will probably never happen again and in 2 years time 95 wins may not even win the division. If we can just hold on now and make a couple trades for a 3rd baseman and another bench piece this team will contend for the playoffs. The schedule is so AL East heavy in September that if you are 3GB you can still have a very good chance of taking the division.

 

With guys like Lawrie, EE and hopefully Lind being healthy by September the Blue Jays will have a very real shot at winning the division.

 

Of course you have to hope there are no other injuries to the pitching staff or other key players but there is a very real shot at winning the division this year when you will never know what will happen in future seasons.

 

Toronto opened the season with a top-10 payroll. Rogers hasn't handcuffed the team at all.

[admin]

AA can BS anyone, his job is safe.

Look how long you all fell for it! muahaha

[wilko]

AA can BS anyone, his job is safe.

Look how long you all fell for it! muahaha

 

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[Atothe]

Its funny most of us thought Buehrle would be a financial burden and Reyes be slightly overrated. Turns out its the other way around

[shortstop]

Toronto opened the season with a top-10 payroll. Rogers hasn't handcuffed the team at all.

 

Boras disagrees

[sh3156]

Do you guys just want to make the playoffs just for the sake of making the playoffs or build a perennial playoff team? Baltimore isn't running away with anything just the jays didn't away with anything. The team just needs to hold their head above water for a month.

 

Playoffs are a crapshot once you are in you can win.

[sh3156]

Beating the Rays has two purposes. 1. Win. 2. Eliminate any hope they have of getting in this race

 

Once accomplished approach Freeman and offer him 4 prospects. He can have ANYONE not in the mlb roster for Price and Zobrist including Sanchez Norris Pompay

 

Even that might not be enough. However that's the right move.

[Bourjos]

Playoffs are a crapshot once you are in you can win.

 

People say this but the team with the best 1-3 rotation has the edge everytime... and no, there's no guarantees.

[BTS]

Beating the Rays has two purposes. 1. Win. 2. Eliminate any hope they have of getting in this race

 

Once accomplished approach Freeman and offer him 4 prospects. He can have ANYONE not in the mlb roster for Price and Zobrist including Sanchez Norris Pompay

 

Even that might not be enough. However that's the right move.

 

Not close to enough.

[Bourjos]

Beating the Rays has one purpose: staying out of the last place in the AL East.

 

Ftfy

[Bourjos]

AA can BS anyone, his job is safe.

Look how long you all fell for it! muahaha

 

He has the injury excuse again, his job if safe for at least another season *face palm*

[jayswin11]

It's been quiet on the trade front, too quiet. Something is about to go down.

[admin]

He has the injury excuse again, his job if safe for at least another season *face palm*

 

Yeah, I actually think he will pull that card again.

 

People say this but the team with the best 1-3 rotation has the edge everytime... and no, there's no guarantees.

 

Tough to say. Yeah they have the edge, but you put Dickey out there, who I dislike, but you just never know if he will have a lights out performance.

Same with Stroman. He looked brutal out there last outing, but dominated the rest.

Odds aren't there, but you never know who's on their game come playoffs.

 

If I went into the playoffs with Dickey starting I'd have such a short leash on him it wouldn't even be funny. One slip up he'd be out. Mind you his implosions come out of nowhere most the time. Hit here, walk here, and bam 3 run homerun.

[burlingtonbandit]

Toronto opened the season with a top-10 payroll. Rogers hasn't handcuffed the team at all.

 

What if they said that more money was going to be available in 2013 for the next season and then retracted that statement saying they couldn't give them anymore money? It just does not make sense to make those trades if they were to put you right up against your spending cap.

 

I think the new Rogers CEO has curbed the Blue Jays payroll limit. It makes no sense from a Rogers perspective to not spend an additional 5 or so million this season anyways. The reward of gaining new fans/excitement and additional revenue from meaningful Sep games and possibly the playoffs far outweighs the risk of spending $5 million.

 

I think fans would take notice of the effort in trying to make the team better even if a move didn't work out. Rogers gets hated on a lot by Blue Jays fans.

[burlingtonbandit]

Yeah, I actually think he will pull that card again.

 

 

 

Tough to say. Yeah they have the edge, but you put Dickey out there, who I dislike, but you just never know if he will have a lights out performance.

Same with Stroman. He looked brutal out there last outing, but dominated the rest.

Odds aren't there, but you never know who's on their game come playoffs.

 

If I went into the playoffs with Dickey starting I'd have such a short leash on him it wouldn't even be funny. One slip up he'd be out. Mind you his implosions come out of nowhere most the time. Hit here, walk here, and bam 3 run homerun.

 

So because of one bad outing, Stroman is equal to Dickey's inconsistency? Stroman has been very consistent so far and that last start wasn't even that bad. Looked unhittable until the Reyes error and then got into some trouble against a very good lineup. I would take Stroman over any other pitcher on the roster if I had to start a playoff game.

[GeorgiaPeach]

Ben Zobrist would look very good in that lineup

 

I'd rather Franklin, like Spanky mentioned.

 

You maybe pay a little more in prospects due to age and control, but dealing Jack Z instead of Friedman, might balance things out. And you pay very little in salary over the next couple of years.

[GeorgiaPeach]

Yep

 

I don't think TB wants to trade Price to us or the Yankees (though they would if one of those teams offered by far the best package). They might be able to swallow trading Zobrist to us for something they need.

 

It won't be something they need, it'll be the best package.

[GeorgiaPeach]

Which of those is possible at this point?

 

Going after a Nick Franklin improves the current mess they've been putting out at 2B all year. And it addresses a team need for the next few years on the cheap.

[GeorgiaPeach]

Touche/exactly

 

There is nothing on this team that says perennial contender beyond the next 2.5 seasons max. We could have a good cheap pitching staff, Brett Lawrie and Dalton Pompey in 2 years. Most of the rest will or should be gone by 2016/2017.

 

Go for it

 

Gains - Fans, money, respect, FA willingness to sign here, etc

 

If they go for it, and don't make the playoffs. With all they'd given up from the farm to go for it. In a couple years with no farm and no big assets to trade, the fans will leave like they did in '95+ and most people will be crying about how s*** the FO is.

[GeorgiaPeach]

Yeah I don't see how a bat like Prado would cost all that much. If the Jays can stay afloat until mid August when they get Lawrie and EE back, they should be in good shape.

 

11m for each of 2015 & 2016. And I'm guessing the same type of production Nick Franklin would provide with regular playing time without paying anything salary-wise. You'd be paying a little more in prospects being sent.

[GeorgiaPeach]

What happened to Gibbers's post with Jesus and a kid at the bat and Gibbers saying the kid was Dickey and Jesus was feeling him up? Did that get removed to? Seems to be in the same class. I didn't really mind it or 02cui's joke but if a standard is being applied, it should be consistent.

 

To the complainers:

 

It's okay for Dickey to bring it up in his book, but it's not okay to joke around about it??

 

Nothing is off limits for jokes in the Provincial jails.

[GeorgiaPeach]

What's the standard? No Dickey jokes?

 

Apparently we're only allowed to talk about the Jays.

 

Hopefully the mods aren't being pressured by posters or the Admin into acting like RC employees. Because those employees are f***ing stiffs.

[GeorgiaPeach]

Yeah, that was over the top as well.

 

I'll await my banning, because whenever the opportunity presents itself or I think of it, its getting a post.

[GeorgiaPeach]

wow... did the Dickey remark get removed? really?? ok, I thought we were way past that being distasteful. If he can talk about it on a 100 talk shows and make millions talking about it in a book, it seems fair game to me.

 

Bingo.

[GeorgiaPeach]

People say this but the team with the best 1-3 rotation has the edge everytime... and no, there's no guarantees.

 

To make the playoffs, not win the WS right?

[sh3156]

If they go for it, and don't make the playoffs. With all they'd given up from the farm to go for it. In a couple years with no farm and no big assets to trade, the fans will leave like they did in '95+ and most people will be crying about how s*** the FO is.

 

Sooner or later you have to take a chance. If you don't go for it and still suck next year fan will become extremely a pathetic

 

Though the 95 scenerio is not possible with the large amount of young fans that the jays have

[sh3156]

I'd rather Franklin, like Spanky mentioned.

 

You maybe pay a little more in prospects due to age and control, but dealing Jack Z instead of Friedman, might balance things out. And you pay very little in salary over the next couple of years.

 

Down the stretch we need a proven player and Franklin hasn't proven anything

[sh3156]

I agree that should the opportunity come, we improve the team. However, my only issue is that I don't trust AA at all.[/QUOT E]

 

Nobody does

[Jimcanuck]

Down the stretch we need a proven player and Franklin hasn't proven anything

 

Ugh... another from the Amaro school of thought

 

You like the Phillies model?

[sh3156]

Ugh... another from the Amaro school of thought

 

You like the Phillies model?

 

Just mentioning a fact that a player who has a .300 obp in limited at bats hasnt proven anything makes me a Phillies model supporter?

 

By the way if I remember correctly phillies made several playoffs appearances. Jays haven't played a meaningful September game is 21 years. There are university graduates who have never seen a jays playoffs game