Pillar hissyfit

[The Cats Ass]

Anthony Gose minor league OBP: .335

 

Pillar: .366

 

Pillar has looked awful in the majors but I'd still go with the larger sample size then Gose' 113 PA.

 

So now MiLB is the same as the MLB?

[The Cats Ass]

Is that difference in OBP so high that it cancels out the platoon advantage? I highly doubt that.

 

And the fact Gose is a lot harder to double up.

[The Cats Ass]

Gose OBP in the minors last 2 seasons .316 and .311, respectively - that's very bad for a guy with his speed. Gose OBP this year doesn't appear to be sustainable and with the poor slugging I'm rather concerned about him being able to contribute at all offensively going foward. Why would anyone expect this to continue, I have no idea?

 

Gose's OBP is a lot more sustainable then Pillar's. Gose's BB% is twice as high as what Pillar's is.

[Convo]

So now MiLB is the same as the MLB?

 

That's pretty low putting words like that in my mouth. I said I'd prefer larger sample size, I also said expect performance drop in majors. I'd prefer that over looking at 100 PA sample sizes to evaluate a player.

[Convo]

Gose's OBP is a lot more sustainable then Pillar's. Gose's BB% is twice as high as what Pillar's is.

 

Gose is not going to walk this much, and Pillar is going to hit more (than he has).

[The Cats Ass]

I said I'd prefer larger sample size, I also said expect performance drop in majors. You guys are looking at 100 PA sample sizes to evaluate a player.

 

You'd be a terrible manager then. So instead of going with the RH/LH split advantage, the guy who's faster and therefore less likely to be doubled up, along with the guy who's been hitting better recently, you'd go with the guy that has a .220 OBP...

[The Cats Ass]

Gose is not going to walk this much, and Pillar is going to hit more (than he has).

 

So Gose won't continue to walk at his career rate? And I'd assume Pillar is going to do something more, I don't think it'd be possible for him to continue his whole life having a OBP lower then his AVG.

[Convo]

So Gose won't continue to walk at his career rate? And I'd assume Pillar is going to do something more, I don't think it'd be possible for him to continue his whole life having a OBP lower then his AVG.

 

His career rate is not 13.3%.

[Convo]

You'd be a terrible manager then. So instead of going with the RH/LH split advantage, the guy who's faster and therefore less likely to be doubled up, along with the guy who's been hitting better recently, you'd go with the guy that has a .220 OBP...

 

Never said any of that, thanks again or putting words in my mouth. According to you Mike Trout would of been "the guy with a .220 BA .281 OBP" in his rookie year.

[IBTrini]

I'm not sure you've ever seen someone have a temper tantrum. That wasn't even close.

 

Temper tantrums are normally associated with kids displaying certain types of behaviour such as whining/crying/hitting etc however it literally refers to unpleasant and disruptive behaviors or emotional outbursts. What he did was unpleasant, disrespectful and as such becomes disruptive in nature especially after a manager's decision. I feel badly for him however he is only one piece to be used by the manager who is looking to secure a win. It's alright to feel frustrated but never show it in a disruptive or disrespectful way. We all make mistakes and hopefully learn from them,

[IBTrini]

anything other than a nod and taking his seat was too much. the manager cant have players questioning his decisions. especially not right then and there in front of the team mates. if Pillar had a problem with it he should have voiced it after the game in Gibbons office.

 

I agree with your point of view on this.

[KingKat]

anything other than a nod and taking his seat was too much. the manager cant have players questioning his decisions. especially not right then and there in front of the team mates. if Pillar had a problem with it he should have voiced it after the game in Gibbons office.

 

Yeah I think the context of the reaction really matters here. The reaction was mild but the circumstances called for no reaction at all. He's a platoon player. That's likely the only job that is available to him in the Major Leagues. If he's going to get demonstrably upset when he gets platooned, that's a problem.

[The Cats Ass]

Never said any of that, thanks again or putting words in my mouth. According to you Mike Trout would of been "the guy with a .220 BA .281 OBP" in his rookie year.

 

Trout had talent. Pillar does not.

 

Trout also had a slash line of .267/.341/.520 at one point during his rookie year. Pillar does not.

[Convo]

Trout had talent. Pillar does not.

 

Trout also had a slash line of .267/.341/.520 at one point during his rookie year. Pillar does not.

 

Did you just go and cherry pick an even smaller sample size from a small sample size? Good times.

 

You should still be able to relatively project major league performance from minor league performance. Pillar is not a .220 OBP guy. Gose is not a .335 OBP guy.

[GD]

You should still be able to relatively project major league performance from minor league performance. Pillar is not a .220 OBP guy. Gose is not a .335 OBP guy.

 

I agree with the premise, but the operative is relatively. Sure, Pillar probably isn't a .220 OBP guy and Gose not a .335 OBP guy, but minor league numbers don't have an r^2 of 1 or anything. They probably aren't but there's certainly room for them to be, you can't dismiss that.

[The Cats Ass]

You should still be able to relatively project major league performance from minor league performance. Pillar is not a .220 OBP guy. Gose is not a .335 OBP guy.

 

So is Brandon Wood "relatively close" to winning an MVP award?

[Convo]

So is Brandon Wood "relatively close" to winning an MVP award?

 

Do all of your retorts centre around putting words in people mouths?

 

It's not set in stone. And you can't have it every way you want. Brandon Wood is now 29 and has 700 major league ABs.

[The Cats Ass]

Do all of your retorts centre around putting words in people mouths?

 

It's not set in stone. And you can't have it every way you want. Brandon Wood is 29 and has 700 major league ABs.

 

I didn't put words in your mouth... You said "You should still be able to relatively project major league performance from minor league performance." Brandon Wood put up MVP numbers in the minors. Which means by your logic he should be relatively close to putting up MVP numbers in the Majors.

[Convo]

I didn't put words in your mouth... You said "You should still be able to relatively project major league performance from minor league performance." Brandon Wood put up MVP numbers in the minors. Which means by your logic he should be relatively close to putting up MVP numbers in the Majors.

 

Again, as I said it's not set in stone. Again, as I said, you have to account for performance drop off in the majors. The term relative and projection are used for a reason. I'm sure at one point Brandon Wood was ranked quite highly while moving up the in the minors but nobody would ever peg him as a MVP candidate. Thanks for the intelligent discussion, I'm feeling so much smarter after talking with you.

[KingKat]

A. Gibbons made a perfectly sensible move. You can argue it the other way but it was hardly an eggregious decision.

B. Pillar had no reason to be surprised much less upset that Gibbons would follow the platoon advantage since that's exactly how Pillar has been used thus far. He has no business questionning his manager, generally speaking, but this was especially odd and incredibly short-sighted on his part. That he did his little display in a relatively calm fashion if anything just makes it more strange. It doesn't make him look passionate, it just makes him look very dumb and/or very conceited.

[Buster]

Reading Dirk Hayhurst on the plight of guys like Pillar/minor-leaguers/bubble-players makes me understand Pillar's spazz a bit more. I don't think they enjoy any of this. It's just incredibly frustrating and stressful for these guys. Constant stress about whether you will be a millionaire and retire or have to go get a real job eventually. Stupid decision, but containing all of it must be so hard.

[JFD]

Do you guys know what OBP is?

 

do you know what a sac fly is? well you have to get the ball out of the infield to get one.

[GD]

King stop thanking it

 

53 wRC+ HURR DURR HE DESERVES MORE PLAYING TIME

 

enough

[Orgfiller]

So many are praising Barreto of Vancouver as the next great. Yet, he is 2 for his last 20 At-bats! Hitting .100 in his last 5 games as a starter - Where's the panic? Its only 20 AB's but the trend isn't so good. Given the opportunities, the numbers for the true hitters will balance out and be true.

 

Nothing like quoting a 20 AB sample size...

[GD]

Lol. Psychotic.

[GeorgiaPeach]

Didn't realize Glenn was so old... he seems to have some good pop in his bat though

 

Justin Bour & Glenn squared off in the final of the High A HR derby back in 2011. Both being older were still hitting absolute bombs.

[GeorgiaPeach]

Resign Colby, should be at a discount if poor hitting season continues. Gose is not a major league player.

 

Not if Colby's looking for the money he should get 12-15m per year on a 4 or 5 year deal.

[GeorgiaPeach]

it's easy for things to get out of hand on a team and they wont win if the clubhouse isn't kept in check. it can be a hard balance. didn't Gibbons have Shea in his last time around, as well as his dust up with Lily`? I'm sure he's running a tighter ship so it doesn't get back to that again.

 

If guys are getting benched, its more likely a noticed behaviour being displayed and not Gibbons noticing Reyes not run all out on a play and decide to bench him. And if it is on one play, then the Manager is a little heavy handed, which isn't cool.

[GeorgiaPeach]

I actually dont like seeing it from anyone. blowing up is never good.

 

Ever, or just in baseball?

[GeorgiaPeach]

throwing a temper tantrum, no matter how mild, is not the way.

 

You must despise Bobby Cox and Earl Weaver.