Do We Even Want Morrow Back?

[HERPDERP]

Brandon Morrow = Rich Harden

[G-Snarls]

The biggest problem with Morrow is WRT your planning

 

If you start the season presuming he's going to give you 160-180 IP and then he tanks in May or June his presence is detrimental to your plans. That has now happened twice. I suspect even if he is kept that AA won't get fooled again. You have plan on another starter in his place next year even if you keep him

 

Ug. I didn't explain that well but I suspect people will understand what I mean.

 

We needed Ervin Santana or equivalent this year and Morrow's presence put less pressure on AA to get it done. Make sense?

[BarkatToronto]

The biggest problem with Morrow is WRT your planning

 

If you start the season presuming he's going to give you 160-180 IP and then he tanks in May or June his presence is detrimental to your plans. That has now happened twice. I suspect even if he is kept that AA won't get fooled again. You have plan on another starter in his place next year even if you keep him

 

Ug. I didn't explain that well but I suspect people will understand what I mean.

 

We needed Ervin Santana or equivalent this year and Morrow's presence put less pressure on AA to get it done. Make sense?

 

Yep. Blair was saying yesterday that the organization had really soured on Morrow due to the constant letdowns

 

He specifically mentioned Gibbons had given up on Morrow

[The_DH]

Want him back? - yes

Expect him back? - no

 

If we didn't sign JJ for 14 mill, do you think we will go 10 for Morrow? Not expecting it given the financial constraints.

[Bunchedundies]

I don't know...Honestly, I'm over the whole trade Morrow for League trade. It went back and forth for a long time but I'd say Seattle won the trade pretty substantially. League had 37 saves one year and has been the healthier/more consistent of the 2 ever since.

 

 

AA: It's over.

 

Morrow: Give me another chance...

 

AA: It's not you...it's me.

 

LMAo 37 saves so he is better value then morrow? No just no. Morrow has disappointed the last 2 years but come on bro.

[G-Snarls]

Want him back? - yes

Expect him back? - no

 

If we didn't sign JJ for 14 mill, do you think we will go 10 for Morrow? Not expecting it given the financial constraints.

 

Exactly

 

Though I'd be willing to pay his buyout and try to sign him back for less $

 

Don't know if he would go for that. Depends on what else he can get from other teams. But I agree - no way AA goes for that 10M option unless he miraculously comes back and pitches well this year.

[Bunchedundies]

Yep. Blair was saying yesterday that the organization had really soured on Morrow due to the constant letdowns

 

He specifically mentioned Gibbons had given up on Morrow

 

Good, it is time to move on.

[The_DH]

Exactly

 

Though I'd be willing to pay his buyout and try to sign him back for less $

 

Don't know if he would go for that. Depends on what else he can get from other teams. But I agree - no way AA goes for that 10M option unless he miraculously comes back and pitches well this year.

 

I would do one of those options that kicks in if few games are played to give the team some protection but no way 10 million for 8 games.

[Chappy]

It's not really that much money though. When you consider the contracts of Feldman ( 30 million - 3 years), Tim Lincecum - 35 million - 2 years) and just the general price for free agent pitching - 1 year and 9 million for Brandon Morrow is really a no brainier for me....unless he goes into the off season on the DL. Also, factor in that free agent pitching doesn't seem crazy about pitching in the AL east, in a HR friendly park and in a foreign country. We're not getting anyone signing a pillow contract here.

 

Hell....Joe Nathan got 20 million over 2 years.

 

Just because other comparable or lesser pitchers are getting that type of money doesn't make it a wise investment. I would much rather see what Stroman can do first and we have other young options like Nolin who is close as well. Sanchez may be ready to contribute in 2015 as well. Why not go with some league minimum guys who are more likely to stay healthy and as a result may very well out produce Morrow?

 

At some point we need to stop paying for his potential and start paying for results.

[Solaxys]

There is a good chance Hendriks' fairytale first game is not gonna repeat with Rays (considering the # of balls he puts up in the strikezone, and how lucky he got with the As); so it'll come down to tomorrow and how he fares.

I am not gonna hold my breath, but I still think Morrow should be in the Pen - him and McGowan are kinda the same shenanigan.

I'd keep Morrow over McGowan, but shrugs.

[BigCecil]

Bigger issue is I hate the idea of allocating a spot on the rotation to Morrow. If we go into the season with morrow as a starter there is one sp spot we haven't filled BC he will either be absoloutelt garbage or be on the DL by June

 

I think the days of Morrow being "anointed" a rotation spot are over. IF he comes back healthy and IF they decide to gamble on the net 9mm he will he wont have any guarantees. Who knows? If they cant resign casey(or he is hurt) they may want to experiment with him as a closer. That should be good for a few gray hairs for all of us.

[G-Snarls]

I think the days of Morrow being "anointed" a rotation spot are over. IF he comes back healthy and IF they decide to gamble on the net 9mm he will he wont have any guarantees. Who knows? If they cant resign casey(or he is hurt) they may want to experiment with him as a closer. That should be good for a few gray hairs for all of us.

 

For sure. He might make a good closer. but yeah - we'd be even more nervous than when Santos goes out there.

[Chappy]

For sure. He might make a good closer. but yeah - we'd be even more nervous than when Santos goes out there.

 

Santos is another one who should be gone. I doubt they touch that option.

[AdamGreenwood]

"No, I want to throw away a pitcher who has the potential to put up 3 wins in a season for absolutely nothing."

 

3 wins in a season? So what, a 3-10 record?

[shortstop]

short of a) he comes back healthy this injury and he's lights out for > 1.5-2 months, imo, his option won't be picked up...jays & morrow need a culture change if Morrow desires to be a starting pitcher moving forward...

 

if Morrow wanted to convert to the pen & renegotiate a contract, that changes the conversation...

 

but he won't - he'll likely get way more $'s on the open market as a starter with incentives than as a reliever...

 

imo, his days as a jay are #'d...which I find exciting - $9m from Morrow plus $7m from Rasmus contracts to hopefully spend where necessary...

[Atothe]

This year hell yeah I want him back only if he's completely healthy. Next year yes because there will be money

[BigCecil]

This year hell yeah I want him back only if he's completely healthy. Next year yes because there will be money

 

We have seen enough to know there are no guarantees of "completely healthy" for Morrow....ever. Its all about risk anticipation and mgm against other options.

[G-Snarls]

Santos is another one who should be gone. I doubt they touch that option.

 

Same thing exactly. Tantalizing performance capabilities. Fails to deliver too often and fails to stay healthy Iong enough to be dependable.

[z3r0s]

Same thing exactly. Tantalizing performance capabilities. Fails to deliver too often and fails to stay healthy Iong enough to be dependable.

 

I have drafted Santos late in sooooooooo many redraft leagues.

 

too tempting to dream of what could be.

[HERPDERP]

I have drafted Santos late in sooooooooo many redraft leagues.

 

too tempting to dream of what could be.

 

Brad Lidge of old or Carlos Marmol. Good risk.

[Atothe]

We have seen enough to know there are no guarantees of "completely healthy" for Morrow....ever. Its all about risk anticipation and mgm against other options.

 

Obviously there is a good chance he gets hurt again but I want him to be 100% healthy before he comes off the DL. No rushing him

[pickoff22]

Santos is another one who should be gone. I doubt they touch that option.

 

Yikes, I didn't realize his options was for $6 million (750k buyout). Love his stuff and always wanted to believe but can't do it at that price.

[The_DH]

Santos is another one who should be gone. I doubt they touch that option.

 

Think he could be traceable if he comes back by the ASG?

[G-Snarls]

Yikes, I didn't realize his options was for $6 million (750k buyout). Love his stuff and always wanted to believe but can't do it at that price.

 

Nope. Not with the amount of time he misses.

[G-Snarls]

Think he could be traceable if he comes back by the ASG?

 

This off season was the best time to trade him. And AA almost did.

 

Would have been sweet

[The_DH]

Agreed last year was the year to do it but that's gone now. Can we do it now?

[G-Snarls]

Agreed last year was the year to do it but that's gone now. Can we do it now?

 

Don't think we'd get much after multiple blown saves (most GMs will value that way more than peripherals) and an extended DL stint.

[Chappy]

Think he could be traceable if he comes back by the ASG?

 

I doubt it. If he is, it won't be for much and if that's the case then might as well keep him for the stretch run.

[saskjayfan]

I thought morrow had some bad luck early this year. I thought he pitched reasonably well at times. It's too bad the guy can't stay healthy to see if he could work things out on the mound. He's still striking guys out....just needs to get his command. Hopefully he can come back and make an impact mid season.

[eastcoastjaysfan]

I love how the notion of letting Morrow walk is just immediately dismissed by some on here. He'll be 30, he's an injury prone diabetic, and he has never once sniffed 200 innings.

 

I would probably pick up the option but would completely understand if it isn't picked up. Cutting him and Santos frees up 15M which could be put towards an actual useful player.