Esmil Rogers has been DFA'd

[GD]

Heavy reliance on stats is exactly the problem. Ricciardi fired way too many scouts, preferring to rely on stats based assessment of players. The Jays scouting has yet to be rebuilt, which is a huge problem imo. Ricciardi wanted to play moneyball, meanwhile teams like the Braves with heavy reliance on traditional scouting systems are scooping up all the talent.

 

Id also like to point out that Gomes is the WORST fielding catcher in the majors, given that we dumped Farell in the deal the trade was a bit of a wash.

 

We have "the biggest scouting staff in the league." Also, Riccardi's cumulative win% in his time here far surpasses that of AA's. Also, Yan Gomes has been above average in the field his entire career. So basically, none of that is true/right/a good point.

[closetjaysfan]

We have "the biggest scouting staff in the league." Also, Riccardi's cumulative win% in his time here far surpasses that of AA's. Also, Yan Gomes has been above average in the field his entire career. So basically, none of that is true/right/a good point.

 

I dunno man, I see It much differently. I can only think of 4 players that we drafted that are our roster: Lind, Loup, Cecil, Jansen and Hutch. The only other player worth mentioning in recent memory is Arencibia. Sure we have Stroman, Nolin and Sanchez in the minors but there are a lot of question marks surrounding some of the other talent (Ie: Osuna). We had 1 player in last year's Futures game and now he has elbow problems (Jimenez).

 

Im saying our scouting was depleted and has yet to be fixed.

 

And Yan Gomes above average his entire career??? He Played 9 games at C in 2012 and only 85 last year (ill give you he only made 3 errors and had a + WAR last year). This year in 39 games he has 9 errors. I could go on.

[GD]

I dunno man, I see It much differently. I can only think of 4 players that we drafted that are our roster: Lind, Loup, Cecil, Jansen and Hutch. The only other player worth mentioning in recent memory is Arencibia. Sure we have Stroman, Nolin and Sanchez in the minors but there are a lot of question marks surrounding some of the other talent (Ie: Osuna). We had 1 player in last year's Futures game and now he has elbow problems (Jimenez).

 

Im saying our scouting was depleted and has yet to be fixed.

 

And Yan Gomes above average his entire career??? He Played 9 games at C in 2012 and only 85 last year (ill give you he only made 3 errors and had a + WAR last year). This year in 39 games he has 9 errors. I could go on.

 

I think I know where we differ on points.

 

You're looking at development and drafting philosophy. We have PLENTY of outs, but our development sucks and the scouting sucks too, even if it's rebuilt. It's not depleted, it just sucks.

 

And measuring a player's defense based on errors is ugh for me.

 

1. Advanced stats

1B. Eye test

23905290. Basic stats like RF and F%

[GeorgiaPeach]

Well, this whole discussion was based on "when Rasmus returns", I am quite fine with Gose being here until Rasmus is better...

 

Rajai was more useful because he was a RH bat (and actually was really, really good against lefties...) so he could give guys like Rasmus and Lind breaks. With Gose being left handed, he doesn't really have a bat to displace in the line-up. Bautista isn't going to sit very often, Melky is a switch hitter and Rasmus is a lefty, so there just aren't any ABs for him when everyone is healthy on this roster.

 

Pinch runners aren't used particularly often, and late inning defensive replacements are, by their very nature, 1-2 innings, 3 MAX. I'd rather he got regular playing time at AAA than incredibly sporadic playing time @ the MLB level. (I don't believe it would stunt his growth...)

 

Besides a QO being offered to Colby, is there a reason we'd be keeping him till the end of the year?

[IBTrini]

He had an MRI done on Tuesday, still has a Grade 1 strain, he won't be ready to go until early June at the earliest.

Thanks for that update - I missed it.

 

Anyway, the silver lining is Gose will get more exposure at this level to hopefully show his true potential - When opportunity knocks it's really up to the individual to make the most of it. Also, having 2 MLB-ready, decent, CFers seems like a good position to be in come the trade-deadline.

[fatcowxlive]

How do you expect to keep your free res at guelph if you keep skipping???

 

Good point lol

[IBTrini]

They'll either trade him in July, or offer the QO in the fall, same goes for Melky, unless they extend one of them.

I was thinking along these lines as well.

[kgm1]

"""He was DFA'd. Designated for Assignment. All that does is give the team time to decide what they want to do with him, while allowing them to clear a spot off their 40-man for another player, and call up another player to their 25-man roster (if he was on the 25 man roster)."""""

 

 

Got it now , I was stuck on the 40 man roster. They DFA,d him to get room on the 25 man. No way of knowing what they have done with him.

[kgm1]

Besides a QO being offered to Colby, is there a reason we'd be keeping him till the end of the year?

 

The problem with Rasmus as I see it is he is in the Drew, Morales group as far as being offered a QO. What team is willing to give up a 1st rounder plus all the money to sign him and thus he may be inclined to take a QO.

 

I would try to deal him. Won't happen but I can see a huge decision coming over the QO offer

[Angrioter]

Before Colorado signed Esmil Rogers (SS and 3B), he was one of the less talented players in their league (Pedro Strop was great). Good glove but most of his hits was fly balls behind SS, then.......................he touched 98 mph as a pitcher.

[Angrioter]

Before Colorado signed Esmil Rogers (SS and 3B), he was one of the less talented players in their league (Pedro Strop was great). Good glove but most of his hits was fly balls behind SS, then.......................he touched 98 mph as a pitcher.

 

btw Jorge Polanco (twins) is a good friend of my little brother. He's a stud.

[Chappy]

They'll either trade him in July, or offer the QO in the fall, same goes for Melky, unless they extend one of them.

 

They better extend Melky, otherwise we're looking at an OF of Bautista, Gose, and Pillar. I have a feeling Melky is going to sign a team friendly extension.

[Chappy]

The problem with Rasmus as I see it is he is in the Drew, Morales group as far as being offered a QO. What team is willing to give up a 1st rounder plus all the money to sign him and thus he may be inclined to take a QO.

 

I would try to deal him. Won't happen but I can see a huge decision coming over the QO offer

 

If he accepts it, that would be great problem to have. If he doesn't we get the pick, although I'm more interested in seeing him traded.

[ElNik2013]

If he accepts it, that would be great problem to have. If he doesn't we get the pick, although I'm more interested in seeing him traded.

 

 

I think maybe they move Lind if Rasmus accepts the QO or even if resigned. This assumes that Cabrera is re-signed and would spend time at DH with Francisco. At the same time, I'm also assuming 2B is addressed.

[Chappy]

I think maybe they move Lind if Rasmus accepts the QO or even if resigned. This assumes that Cabrera is re-signed and would spend time at DH with Francisco. At the same time, I'm also assuming 2B is addressed.

 

They will have some big decisions to make this winter. Gose will slide into CF which will help and Pillar likely takes over as the fourth OF, but plenty still some big decisions to be made. Is Melky extended? Is Lind brought back now that Francisco is in the fold? Will 2B finally be addressed? Is Morrows option picked up? Does Janssen walk?

[kgm1]

They will have some big decisions to make this winter. Gose will slide into CF which will help and Pillar likely takes over as the fourth OF, but plenty still some big decisions to be made. Is Melky extended? Is Lind brought back now that Francisco is in the fold? Will 2B finally be addressed? Is Morrows option picked up? Does Janssen walk?

 

I think the biggest deciding factor in all this is what Rogers gives for a budget . If they stick to their word and it is still 140 mil then lots of options.

[Angrioter]

@gregorMLB

Esmil Rogers has been outrighted to Buffalo. #BlueJays

 

 

Semi-good news

[The_DH]

@gregorMLB

Esmil Rogers has been outrighted to Buffalo. #BlueJays

 

 

Semi-good news

 

No surprise he cleared waivers. Too much $$$$$.

[Caper]

The problem with Rasmus as I see it is he is in the Drew, Morales group as far as being offered a QO. What team is willing to give up a 1st rounder plus all the money to sign him and thus he may be inclined to take a QO.

 

I would try to deal him. Won't happen but I can see a huge decision coming over the QO offer

 

No. I don't think he accepts a QO.... He gets signed by someone. But even if he did accept. Once he's locked up for 1 yr 14 million he becomes extremely tradeable.

[flafson]

How can he clear waivers in 1 day? Doesn't it take a week or so?

[The_DH]

Maybe he was already on waivers?

[TDotttt2005]

Maybe he was already on waivers?

 

Yeah, how long is the waiver period? I was under the impression that it was 48 hours?

[John_Havok]

Designated for assignment is a contractual term used in Major League Baseball. A player who is designated for assignment is immediately removed from the team's 40-man roster, after which the team must either:[1]

 

return the player to the 40-man roster within 10 days from the date of designation, or

make one of the following contractual moves:

 

1. Place the player on waivers (which can only be done within the first 7 days of the 10-day period)

2. Trade the player

3. Release the player

4. Outright the player from the 40-man roster into the Minor Leagues

[John_Havok]

Typically a player is placed on waivers after being designated for assignment for the purpose of outrighting him to one of the club's minor league teams. A player who is outrighted to the triple A is removed from the 40-man roster but is still paid according to the terms of his guaranteed contract. A player can only be outrighted once in his career without his consent. However, a player must clear waivers (that is, no other team may place a waiver claim on the player) to be sent to a minor league team. Also, if the player has five or more full years of major league service, he must give consent to be assigned to the minors. If the player withholds consent, the team must either release him or keep him on the major league roster. In either case, the player must continue to be paid under the terms of his contract.

 

Trade the player

Once a player is designated for assignment, he may be traded. Some teams have been known to designate players for assignment to increase interest in the player, especially among teams that are not at the top of the waiver list (the order of which is determined by record). For example, in May 2006, Rangers reliever Brian Shouse was designated for assignment, and was traded to the Milwaukee Brewers four days later. The Brewers could have waited until Shouse was placed on waivers so they would not have had to give up a player in a trade, but according to the waiver rules, the other 13 NL teams would have had preference in claiming him. Also, under the "ten-and-five rule," if a player has ten years of Major League service, the last five with his current team, he cannot be traded without his consent.

 

Release the player

If a player is not traded, and clears waivers, he may be released from the team. The player is then a free agent and may sign with any team, including the team that just released him. The team that releases him is responsible for the salary the player is owed, less what he is paid by the team that signs him (in practice, the amount paid by the signing team is usually a pro-rated portion of the Major League minimum salary).

 

Outright from the 40-man roster

If the player clears waivers when being designated for assignment, they can most commonly be outrighted from the 40-man roster and play for any class in the Minor Leagues.