RA Dickey Excuse Thread

[GD]

until he rolls his ankle for the 90th time

[gruber92]

Dickey has a non zero chance of being the best in the league, I don't think anyone would disagree.

Goins definitely has zero chance.

 

You want in on the O/U 4.5 ERA on Dickey minimum 20 starts? For a pitcher of the caliber of Dickey, this would be easy pickens for you.

[GD]

You want in on the O/U 4.5 ERA on Dickey minimum 20 starts? For a pitcher of the caliber of Dickey, this would be easy pickens for you.

 

JFaS doesn't bet

[gruber92]

you guys want a toronto athlete that won't let you down over the next few weeks?

 

http://www.ctvnews.ca/polopoly_fs/1.1610556!/httpimage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/landscape_620/image.jpg

 

f***ing right!!

[eastcoastjaysfan]

Last year Harvey was the best pitcher in the league for me and should have won the Cy Young.

 

Sure, Harvey was the best but Kershaw was close to him with almost every stat and pitched 60 more innings. 60 innings is not immaterial.

[HASHTAGYOLOSWAG]

Now there's a statement. The Raptors play off ball is going to be good. I hope somebody forearms Pierce to the side of the head.

 

Well Toronto, this is how we gonna do this: f*** Brooklyn. f*** the Nets. f*** them as a coaching staff, basketball team, and a mutherf***ing crew. And if you wanna be down with the Brooklyn Nets, then f*** you too! Pierce? Garnett? f*** you too! To all those Nets fans, f*** you too.

[eastcoastjaysfan]

Well Toronto, this is how we gonna do this: f*** Brooklyn. f*** the Nets. f*** them as a coaching staff, basketball team, and a mutherf***ing crew. And if you wanna be down with the Brooklyn Nets, then f*** you too! Pierce? Garnett? f*** you too! To all those Nets fans, f*** you too.

 

Just get the nastiest hoes that the city has to offer and sick them on Pierce and Garnett. Their legs will be shot.

[dineke]

until he rolls his ankle for the 90th time

 

Nah he's been pretty durable on the raptors.

[closetjaysfan]

Finger nail got too cold.

[GD]

He's 39, has a 4.29 ERA and 4.23 xFIP since coming here, has looked abysmal this year, has a history of back and neck issues, and is projected to be below average going forward by Steamer and ZiPS. I don't think teams would be lining up to pay him $24 million.

 

He's been worth his AAV since he got here. A team like the Pirates would pick him up, make him look ridiculous with their GB defense, shifts and long OF walls and NL lineups, and then either have a pretty great pitcher or sell him off for like 7 top 10 prospects.

[GD]

Pirates didn't even QO Burnett at $14 million coming off an elite season. I'd be absolutely shocked if they were remotely interested in gambling $24 million on Dickey.

 

I think they were saving money for another opportunity and didn't want to spend their budget early in the offseason. Wouldn't have to be the Pirates, though. Maybe SF, maybe OAK pulls more money out their ass like they did with JJ, SD, LAD, MIN, etc.I'm sure /someone/ would take him. If the cost of a win is 7.5m then he's not really overpaid.

[xposbrad]

I think we can all agree, had AA traded those prospects for almost ANY other decent pitcher that was under 30 years old, that he would have gotten a better deal.

[jayswin11]

I think we can all agree, had AA traded those prospects for almost ANY other decent pitcher that was under 30 years old, that he would have gotten a better deal.

 

agreed

[Jimcanuck]

f***ing Mariners would consider dealing King Felix for d'Arnaud and Syndergaard FFS

 

wouldn't take much more

[GD]

TDA + Synder + Sanchez + Lawrie? lol

[Errorcebia]

f*** the knuckleball

[eastcoastjaysfan]

So does this mean we can get rid of Josh Thole and call up Erik Kratz since it's become 100% apparent that a personal catcher has zero positive impact on anything?

[Convo]

So does this mean we can get rid of Josh Thole and call up Erik Kratz since it's become 100% apparent that a personal catcher has zero positive impact on anything?

 

Don't ask Dickey, he'll just give you more excuses.

[SAAviour]

So does this mean we can get rid of Josh Thole and call up Erik Kratz since it's become 100% apparent that a personal catcher has zero positive impact on anything?

 

This is exactly what I've been thinking. f*** Thole and f*** his noodle bat, hate the guy! And f*** dickey and his personal catcher to while we're f***ing things. Oh, and ja Happ to.

[TDotttt2005]

I think we can all agree, had AA traded those prospects for almost ANY other decent pitcher that was under 30 years old, that he would have gotten a better deal.

 

Whats terrible is that reports were that he refused (allegedly) to include D'Arnaud OR Syndergaard in a trade for Latos. Then he went and traded them both for Dickey. The Latos trade was the deal to make, and it wouldve fit with the 'rebuild' theme of the time (pre-2013) and the 'win now' theme (2013-2014).

 

When AA gets fired, it will be because of the Dickey trade, and not the Marlins trade, as I've said before.

[jays76]

It is what it is with Dickey, we all expected more but what can you do. As a knuckler he pitches terrible in cold weather where there is limited ball movement. Dickey is also an emotional guy who's hard on himself and gets into his own head too much in spite of his obvious intelligence.

 

As the yr goes on Dickey will get stronger just like last yr, especially in the summer when it gets humid allowing the ball to dance. It sucks that he needs optimum conditions to excel and I don't think he'll ever meet expectations but how do you not go after a guy coming off a Cy. It is what it is..

[Atothe]

You guys know Thole can't do s*** about a knuckle ball right. He catches it. That's it. He can't call for a location of a pitch. He's in purgatory. When the knuckler is good he has nothing to do with, when the knuckler is bad he had nothing to do with it. Stop blaming him.

[xposbrad]

Whats terrible is that reports were that he refused (allegedly) to include D'Arnaud OR Syndergaard in a trade for Latos. Then he went and traded them both for Dickey. The Latos trade was the deal to make, and it wouldve fit with the 'rebuild' theme of the time (pre-2013) and the 'win now' theme (2013-2014).

 

When AA gets fired, it will be because of the Dickey trade, and not the Marlins trade, as I've said before.

 

What I can't figure out is how probably 90% of us on these boards most likely would have went with Latos over Dickey and most likely every GM in MLB, yet, AA decided he wanted a 1 pitch 37 year old instead. He literally has negative trade value now, meaning the blue jays would have to eat salary to even trade him. How pathetic is that?

 

Look at the window again, the BJs still are barely a .500 team if even, and Dickey will have expired with this team most likely not even having come remotely close to making the playoffs. Great strategy!! lol

[SAAviour]

I'm not a fan of dickey, but his contract isn't a write off, the guy is capable of pitching like an ace for a month or two at least and does seem to be prone to slow starts. The thing that sucks, is I feel this team is a legitimate contender if we had a true ace.

[G-Snarls]

This is exactly what I've been thinking. f*** Thole and f*** his noodle bat, hate the guy! And f*** dickey and his personal catcher to while we're f***ing things. Oh, and ja Happ to.

 

It's a whole extra level of fail of the Dickey trade

 

The fail points:

 

Losing TDA meant more playing time for JPA last year (counterpoint - TDA doesn't look good at all yet)

 

Syndergaard could provide more value DURING the Dickey contract, let alone what he might be worth for the 3-4 years after that before free agency

 

Saddled with Thole on the roster to keep Dickey happy

 

There's nothing good about it

[kgm1]

Dickey will get it together . No one pitched well in the double header . Yes it was too cold . Our staff just doesn't pitch much in cold weather . I worry more about using a Bull pen for 3 or 4 innings most games .

 

we need to start getting some innings out of our starters . I expect them to start coming around . Someone should show them how to hide some sort of stickum to get a better grip on the ball in the cold .

[Eragon]

Dickey will get it together . No one pitched well in the double header . Yes it was too cold . Our staff just doesn't pitch much in cold weather . I worry more about using a Bull pen for 3 or 4 innings most games .

 

we need to start getting some innings out of our starters . I expect them to start coming around . Someone should show them how to hide some sort of stickum to get a better grip on the ball in the cold .

 

He'll never be what he was in 2012... He's lost 2-4 mph on his KN. The hard KN made him most effective.

[kgm1]

It's a whole extra level of fail of the Dickey trade

 

The fail points:

 

Losing TDA meant more playing time for JPA last year (counterpoint - TDA doesn't look good at all yet)

 

Syndergaard could provide more value DURING the Dickey contract, let alone what he might be worth for the 3-4 years after that before free agency

 

Saddled with Thole on the roster to keep Dickey happy

 

There's nothing good about it

 

It is what it is . I see no point in going back over what happened as it is just eating us all up . I'm just going to look forward to the season . Healthy we have a shot ! Yes it will require a lot going right and perfect heath but since my expectations of this team is 81 to 84 wins anything we get over that is a plus for me .

[kgm1]

Interesting stuff in Dickey's peripherals. Batters are making more contact on pitches out of the zone than in the zone. They're also swinging at pitches out of the zone less. His Swinging strike% is up from last year because he's missing bats in the zone. He's fooling batters when he throws a strike, but not when he throws a ball.

 

Which tells me this won't continue . I still expect him to be good and if our offense is as good as I think it is if healthy then Dickey win win his share of games .

[gruber92]

Interesting stuff in Dickey's peripherals. Batters are making more contact on pitches out of the zone than in the zone. They're also swinging at pitches out of the zone less. His Swinging strike% is up from last year because he's missing bats in the zone. He's fooling batters when he throws a strike, but not when he throws a ball.

 

I don't think this applies when you top out at 82 MPH, regardless of movement. All it takes is one flat inning(s) and MLB hitters,especially in the AL,will light you up like a Christmas tree. Dickey's success was solely based on hitters being too aggressive in their approach towards him. This is over and so is he.