GDT(1/3): New York Yankees @ Toronto Blue Jays - Tanaka vs. McGowan - 7:07 PM ET

[fatcowxlive]

The usual Walktista!

[Grant77]

Tell me why they aren't reliable.

 

You'll often see wild swings in UZR with no discernable difference in fielding performance from year to year, that's one thing. Teams with strong defesive positioning an artificially inflate UZR for players, and vise versa. The statistic takes an extremely long time to normalize and often by the time you get an accurate representation, the player has often lost a step or changed positions.

 

Those are a few of the many problems to take into account. It's not useless, but it is flawed and stated far, far too often as something that is always reliable and accurate, when it certainly isn't.

 

I can't wait for field f/x to be incorporated, then we'll get something truly useful.

[vic city]

yeah but it's mostly bad luck. 21 years of bloop singles and biased umps.

 

Is it though? Is JPR really a genius that got screwed by Bud Selig?

 

Didn't think so.

[fatcowxlive]

Please, just get on this, EE and Lind can come up huge

[theblujay]

They should make a rule that hits don't count if they're bloops or broken bats. While we're at it lets make another rule that eliminates defense--we don't want any luck interfering on our perfect cybergame

[fatcowxlive]

f***

[Orgfiller]

I guess I just have to get the point across.

I'm asking you if you think the Jays should've won these games

 

Dear theblujay,

 

I appreciate your comments regarding the topic at hand. I wouldn't say that the Toronto Blue Jays would have won against the Tampa Bay Rays in the game where Brandon John Morrow was the starting pitcher. My thoughts are equal in this first game against the New York Yankees that saw Dustin Michael McGowan as the starter for the Toronto team. However, I have stated that the opposing team did get a lot of very weak hits against the Jays' hurler, not reflecting on his true ability as such nor does it reflect on the outfield defense.

 

Kind regards,

 

Orgfiller.

[theblujay]

Jeffress lol, white flag

[bzapple]

Time for Jeremy Jeffress lol

[Angrioter]

Jeffress

http://1.media.todaysbigthing.cvcdn.com/11/35/af800ab55dc6c1d19f2ee17062dae835.gif

[frizzer1]

Depressing

[vic city]

Jeffress lol, white flag

 

lol Jeffress is done if he doesn't have a scoreless inning.

[GD]

Some SABR-bro answer this for me: all I've heard for days is how unlucky our pitchers have been. So do you think our record has be ravaged by bad luck even though we've been badly out scored and overmatched in our losses

 

Assuming the score of this game doesn't change:

 

RS^2/(RS^2+RA^2) = W%

Pytho W% = .254

Pytho W/L = 1.3-3.7

Rounded = 1-4

Real W/L = 2-3

 

Team BABIP = .333

League BABIP = .284

Team FDP wins = -0.5

 

So what do all of these numbers mean? That the team itself hasn't been getting unlucky, and have played to expectations, but the pitchers themselves have been getting unlucky.

[theblujay]

I guess I just have to get the point across.

 

 

Dear theblujay,

 

I appreciate your comments regarding the topic at hand. I wouldn't say that the Toronto Blue Jays would have won against the Tampa Bay Rays in the game where Brandon John Morrow was the starting pitcher. My thoughts are equal in this first game against the New York Yankees that saw Dustin Michael McGowan as the starter for the Toronto team. However, I have stated that the opposing team did get a lot of very weak hits against the Jays' hurler, not reflecting on his true ability as such nor does it reflect on the outfield defense.

 

Kind regards,

 

Orgfiller.

So those pitchers weren't bad, the defense was good, but we still lost convincingly. What happened

[KingKat]

Time for Jeremy Jeffress lol

 

Probably his last appearance. Expect him to get DFA for a useful pitcher tomorrow.

[frizzer1]

Why do I get the feeling that this lineup just doesn't have what it takes to come back late in ballgames?

is it me or is it them?

[GD]

LOL! Morrow and Dustin were up in the zone ALL NIGHT! You create your own luck. If you're up, you're going to get hit. STOP WITH THE DAMN EXCUSES!

 

I know that this is a cool life lesson and all, but baseball really doesn't apply to this.

[theblujay]

Assuming the score of this game doesn't change:

 

RS^2/(RS^2+RA^2) = W%

Pytho W% = .254

Pytho W/L = 1.3-3.7

Rounded = 1-4

Real W/L = 2-3

 

Team BABIP = .333

League BABIP = .284

Team FDP wins = -0.5

 

So what do all of these numbers mean? That the team itself hasn't been getting unlucky, and have played to expectations, but the pitchers themselves have been getting unlucky.

 

So in fact we've been on the luckier side overall.

 

You see unlucky, I see excuses for why they had bad games

[Orgfiller]

I know that this is a cool life lesson and all, but baseball really doesn't apply to this.

 

If I create my own luck, does that mean that if I try really hard I can win the lottery no problem?

[bzapple]

Lol Ichiro is such a troll.

[theblujay]

I know you guys are watching, but I share you just see numbers or something. It's not hard to see when pitchers are doing well and when they aren't

[bzapple]

You guys all bitch about Jeffress because his command is horrible. Yet you defend Morrow and Dustin after they consistently were up in the zone because of awful control, because their luck was horrible. Hypocrites

 

lol

[GD]

You'll often see wild swings in UZR with no discernable difference in fielding performance from year to year, that's one thing. Teams with strong defesive positioning an artificially inflate UZR for players, and vise versa. The statistic takes an extremely long time to normalize and often by the time you get an accurate representation, the player has often lost a step or changed positions.

 

Those are a few of the many problems to take into account. It's not useless, but it is flawed and stated far, far too often as something that is always reliable and accurate, when it certainly isn't.

 

I can't wait for field f/x to be incorporated, then we'll get something truly useful.

 

Perfect, since he didn't answer, I can get my point across. The data is unreliable year to year is the main knock on them. We can ignore the defensive positioning cause the Jays don't really do that with Gump. My point is that in the moment, it's probably the most accurate representation of defense we have, and much better than Jonn's eye test.

 

I wonder what the year-year correlation of DRS is.

[GD]

If I create my own luck, does that mean that if I try really hard I can win the lottery no problem?

 

Only if you give it all to me.

[vic city]

WTF Ichiro. Ugliest hits ever.

[fatcowxlive]

2Ks from Jeffrees lol

[bzapple]

Oh Jeffress, you almost had that clean inning...

[Orgfiller]

RASMUS WAS STANDING OUT OF POSITION!!!

 

Call up Gose, DFA, teach him on valuable LF tools.

[fatcowxlive]

2Ks from Jeffrees lol

 

Damn lol that was an unintended jinx

 

Too bad our outfielders don't have turbo speed. Also too bad Rasmus isn't in left

[GD]

I know you guys are watching, but I share you just see numbers or something. It's not hard to see when pitchers are doing well and when they aren't

 

Then why don't you just get hired in a front office if it's so easy