Everyone Calm Down

[IBTrini]

Vent thread my friend

 

Only calmness in this piece

You could have given them the link cuz when people are angry they cannot think clearly. For those who could not find it.

 

http://www.bluejaysmessageboard.com/threads/2972-Rage-Vent-Thread

[IBTrini]

I'm sorry g-snarls, can't find that vent thread....

 

“With us losing today, it doesn’t mean our season is over,” said starter Mark Buehrle. “If somebody thought we were going to sweep these guys, you’re on some good drugs because that’s not going to happen. They’re in first place for a reason. Look, come in, hopefully play better these next two games, take two of three and we’ll be happy with it and move on.”

 

Shut up fatty mcf***f***. The O's will likely sweep us and I doubt they went into the series hoping to maybe win one or two games.

 

Then check out these starters were coming up against according to sportsnet:Wei-Yin Chen, Miguel Gonzalez, Anibal Sanchez, Max Scherzer, David Price, Chris Young, Roenis Elias and Hisashi Iwakuma. I'd say we can beat Gonzalez but then again bud f***ing Norris owns us.

 

And this from gibbons who now I'm all on board for firing: We are kind of an extreme type team,” said Gibbons, “but that’s our ball club, we are what we are.” We are what we are, can't do anything about it but sit back and hope for the best.

You can bookmark it for future reference. It should make for interesting observations.

http://www.bluejaysmessageboard.com/threads/2972-Rage-Vent-Thread

[IBTrini]

"We are what we are". Man what kinda defeatism is that s***??! f*** that.

Not sure who made that comment but it most probably came from some Jays' personnel. It is not a defeatist comment but more likely a following of communications protocol.

 

In the back of his mind he most probably was thinking: "I just witnessed a shitshow and now I have to do a s***** interview. Hmmmmmm, how can I phrase the following thoughts without offending the majority: "The current makeup of this team is s*****, lately the team's performance has been s*****, and the results reflect a high level of shittiness yet we are spending a s***-load of money while producing a s***** baseball experience for the fans."

 

When you really reflect on the two quotes you will see they amount to the same sentiment except the prior one is less obvious and much less offensive.

[kgm1]

Team was expected to win somewhere between 82 to 86 wins. We expected the bull pen to be as lights out as they were last year. That the team will probably win around 83+ games with a bull pen that didn't live up to the hype seems pretty good .

Instead of always dealing on the negative aspects of the year i look at the positives. Stroman emerged and Hutch shows signs of being quality starters. Melky came back from a Tumor on his spine . A frigging TUMOR. Come back player of the year IMO. The farm showed some very interesting prospects develop. Gose and Pillar as a platoon should be able to handle an OF spot. Sanchez is getting his feet wet and has shown he can at least be a high leverage reliever.Happ proving all of us wrong ( where did the 94 come from ) Bench looks solid for next year.

 

Lots to be positive about after last years ugliness

[BTS]

Team was expected to win somewhere between 82 to 86 wins. We expected the bull pen to be as lights out as they were last year. That the team will probably win around 83+ games with a bull pen that didn't live up to the hype seems pretty good .

Instead of always dealing on the negative aspects of the year i look at the positives. Stroman emerged and Hutch shows signs of being quality starters. Melky came back from a Tumor on his spine . A frigging TUMOR. Come back player of the year IMO. The farm showed some very interesting prospects develop. Gose and Pillar as a platoon should be able to handle an OF spot. Sanchez is getting his feet wet and has shown he can at least be a high leverage reliever.Happ proving all of us wrong ( where did the 94 come from ) Bench looks solid for next year.

 

Lots to be positive about after last years ugliness

 

I guess the question is where they go from here. Bautista is 34 next year. Edwin 32. Reyes 32. Lind 31. Dickey 40. Buehrle 36. Outside of Stroman, Hutchison, and Lawrie, the players that will be expected to contribute are really old. Not only is there no reason to expect the injuries to happen with less frequency, but some of there guys are going to start declining hard from what they currently are.

[HERPDERP]

Team was expected to win somewhere between 82 to 86 wins. We expected the bull pen to be as lights out as they were last year. That the team will probably win around 83+ games with a bull pen that didn't live up to the hype seems pretty good .

Instead of always dealing on the negative aspects of the year i look at the positives. Stroman emerged and Hutch shows signs of being quality starters. Melky came back from a Tumor on his spine . A frigging TUMOR. Come back player of the year IMO. The farm showed some very interesting prospects develop. Gose and Pillar as a platoon should be able to handle an OF spot. Sanchez is getting his feet wet and has shown he can at least be a high leverage reliever.Happ proving all of us wrong ( where did the 94 come from ) Bench looks solid for next year.

 

Lots to be positive about after last years ugliness

 

There aren't really any significant positives.

 

The only ones are Stroman and the minor league system

 

And perhaps that we didn't s*** the bed like last year and instead it was the Sox/Rays.

 

Things aren't looking good.

 

For one, we know this team doesn't have any money to spend. Sure, payroll is going to be increasing but that's because of the cost of current contracts on hand. AA keeps saying that we have the cash but his inaction shows that isn't the case. It also doesn't help that we're hearing rumors from other teams that the Jays are telling them they can't take on money.

 

So how exactly are we going to improve this team if we cannot spend? Melky is good as gone, and even if we sign him, it's not going to be cheap.

Jannsen is gone, and the bullpen would have to be rebuilt.

 

Bautista, Buerhle & Reyes are entering their decline phases. Lawrie is starting to become like Tulowitzki in terms of injuries. Rasmus is gone (which doesn't hurt) but Gose is a minor improvement.

 

We also don't have any position prospects that are MLB ready, so if we want to trade for vital pieces we'd have to give up our arms.

[GD]

I guess the question is where they go from here. Bautista is 34 next year. Edwin 32. Reyes 32. Lind 31. Dickey 40. Buehrle 36. Outside of Stroman, Hutchison, and Lawrie, the players that will be expected to contribute are really old. Not only is there no reason to expect the injuries to happen with less frequency, but some of there guys are going to start declining hard from what they currently are.

 

If Reyes declines, he's a huge liability on the payroll. He's barely an average SS making superstar money. If he goes below average, that's a huge portion of the team's payroll allocated to an aging, below average asset. He's our Carl Crawford.

[BTS]

If Reyes declines, he's a huge liability on the payroll. He's barely an average SS making superstar money. If he goes below average, that's a huge portion of the team's payroll allocated to an aging, below average asset. He's our Carl Crawford.

 

They really can't afford to have any of Reyes/Bautista/Edwin decline. Reyes for the reasons you state, and the other two because they carry the offense on their backs and replacing bats like that is really expensive when nobody in the system projects as an impact position player. Problem is, the group is now well into their 30s, and it's only a matter of time at this point.

[Governator]

Melky lived up to his contract and will want to cash in but it doesn't mean Toronto isn't at the top of his list and it doesn't mean Toronto wouldn't give him a very competitive contract offer, they'd be stupid not to sign him unless they are selling off. With that said, I'm ok with selling the team for a proper rebuild and living with < mediocrity for a few years.

[NorthOf49]

Yeah there's no room for moral victories. This year is the Blue Jays' big shot and it looks like they'll blow it.

[BTS]

Melky lived up to his contract and will want to cash in but it doesn't mean Toronto isn't at the top of his list and it doesn't mean Toronto wouldn't give him a very competitive contract offer, they'd be stupid not to sign him unless they are selling off. With that said, I'm ok with selling the team for a proper rebuild and living with < mediocrity for a few years.

 

I don't think they should retain him. He's a league-average player who gets all his value from his bat, and players like that get overpaid. He'll probably command something like 3/40 on the market, and you should be able to add 2 wins for cheaper than that. Someone like Nori Aoki probably signs for 3/20, will give you the same number of wins, and you keep the comp pick when Melky rejects arb.

[GD]

They really can't afford to have any of Reyes/Bautista/Edwin decline. Reyes for the reasons you state, and the other two because they carry the offense on their backs and replacing bats like that is really expensive when nobody in the system projects as an impact position player. Problem is, the group is now well into their 30s, and it's only a matter of time at this point.

 

And it's not like we can add an impact player to push us from mediocre to contender. Personally, I'd be all for trading Reyes this offseason, so long as we can find a cheap alternative. There isn't a ton out there though, unless we added a Drew or Lawrie. Aside from that, it's Assdribble, and ... Rafael Furcal.

[Terminator]

I don't think they should retain him. He's a league-average player who gets all his value from his bat, and players like that get overpaid. He'll probably command something like 3/40 on the market, and you should be able to add 2 wins for cheaper than that. Someone like Nori Aoki probably signs for 3/20, will give you the same number of wins, and you keep the comp pick when Melky rejects arb.

 

It all depends on the contract but his defense is so piss poor (to go along with a mediocre walk rate and power) that it really drags his value down. If he wants too much I'd easily let him walk too.

[GD]

Anyone think we need to keep Rasmus? He's not gonna command a lot of money after this year but people think he's been way worse than he actually has. League average bat and his glove is good, so long as we can learn to position him.

[jays4life19]

Anyone think we need to keep Rasmus? He's not gonna command a lot of money after this year but people think he's been way worse than he actually has. League average bat and his glove is good, so long as we can learn to position him.

 

I wonder if he would take a one year contract to "rebuid" his value. That would be an ideal situation for the Jays. CF is bare on the FA market, Pompey won't be quite ready yet and Gose is better suited as a 4th OF.

[jays4life19]

I've seen enough, I like him but when he's bad he's f***ing awful

 

And when he's good, he's f***ing great. All in all....he's streaky as f*** but I'll take him on a one year pillow contract since there is really no other better alternatives.

[GD]

The market is him, Young, Gutierrez, and Sizemore. Absolutely gross.

[BTS]

Anyone think we need to keep Rasmus? He's not gonna command a lot of money after this year but people think he's been way worse than he actually has. League average bat and his glove is good, so long as we can learn to position him.

 

I think at this point he's probably gone anyway, but Rasmus has value to major league team. I don't know if it's at a corner, in center, in a platoon, or as a 4th OF, but he definitely brings a skill set that most teams could use. I see him going somewhere like Oakland that will extract every ounce of value from him.

[Governator]

I don't think they should retain him. He's a league-average player who gets all his value from his bat, and players like that get overpaid. He'll probably command something like 3/40 on the market, and you should be able to add 2 wins for cheaper than that. Someone like Nori Aoki probably signs for 3/20, will give you the same number of wins, and you keep the comp pick when Melky rejects arb.

 

Well yes I can respect that. However, dreaming of signing free agents and actually attracting them & inking them in Toronto are 2 completely different things that is always overlooked...

[theblujay]

Let Rasmus walk and use Gose and Pillar

[TDotttt2005]

Tim and Sid with Wilner right now is classic.

[JaysRap]

Tim and Sid with Wilner right now is classic.

 

Ya I heard it too. Love Sid v Wilner.

[kgm1]

I guess the question is where they go from here. Bautista is 34 next year. Edwin 32. Reyes 32. Lind 31. Dickey 40. Buehrle 36. Outside of Stroman, Hutchison, and Lawrie, the players that will be expected to contribute are really old. Not only is there no reason to expect the injuries to happen with less frequency, but some of there guys are going to start declining hard from what they currently are.

 

Well you either sell high or as I would suggest see what you have and if not sell at the deadline. Still value in those guys and you could get some very nice pieces back at the deadline if you aren't there. Thing is to cut your losses at the deadline if you are 4 or 5 games out.

 

As for money , Morrow, Rasmus, Happ, Santos ,and possibly Melky and Jansen will all be gone . Bull pen will require a closer if Casey leaves and if Melky leaves you will need an OF unless you go with Reimold in left and Gose/Pillar in center. Plenty of money since not many free agents will play here.

[kgm1]

There aren't really any significant positives.

 

The only ones are Stroman and the minor league system

 

And perhaps that we didn't s*** the bed like last year and instead it was the Sox/Rays.

 

Things aren't looking good.

 

For one, we know this team doesn't have any money to spend. Sure, payroll is going to be increasing but that's because of the cost of current contracts on hand. AA keeps saying that we have the cash but his inaction shows that isn't the case. It also doesn't help that we're hearing rumors from other teams that the Jays are telling them they can't take on money.

 

So how exactly are we going to improve this team if we cannot spend? Melky is good as gone, and even if we sign him, it's not going to be cheap.

Jannsen is gone, and the bullpen would have to be rebuilt.

 

Bautista, Buerhle & Reyes are entering their decline phases. Lawrie is starting to become like Tulowitzki in terms of injuries. Rasmus is gone (which doesn't hurt) but Gose is a minor improvement.

 

We also don't have any position prospects that are MLB ready, so if we want to trade for vital pieces we'd have to give up our arms.

 

Well your glass can be half empty or half full. most don't remember the Riccardi days when the farm system was totally bare. Hell AA had traded more and better prospects than JPR ever drafted and still has more on the farm.

[closetjaysfan]

http://www.cbc.ca/sports/baseball/mlb/blue-jays-playoff-odds-plummeting-1.2736592

 

Still calm. 16% chance of making the playoffs according to fangraphs = though not full, a glass with some liquid in it.

[closetjaysfan]

and if Melky leaves you will need an OF unless you go with Reimold in left and Gose/Pillar in center.

 

Jesus f***... just forfeit the season if that is going to be the outfield.

[burlingtonbandit]

http://www.cbc.ca/sports/baseball/mlb/blue-jays-playoff-odds-plummeting-1.2736592

 

Still calm. 16% chance of making the playoffs according to fangraphs = though not full, a glass with some liquid in it.

 

This looks at it from purely a numbers stand point but gives a pretty good answer. Blue Jays would need to go 27-13 for them to have about an 80% chance to get in. Unless they get really hot, most likely the playoffs are out of reach.

 

http://www.sportsclubstats.com/MLB/American/ALEastern/BlueJays.html

[GeorgiaPeach]

Well you either sell high or as I would suggest see what you have and if not sell at the deadline. Still value in those guys and you could get some very nice pieces back at the deadline if you aren't there. Thing is to cut your losses at the deadline if you are 4 or 5 games out.

 

As for money , Morrow, Rasmus, Happ, Santos ,and possibly Melky and Jansen will all be gone . Bull pen will require a closer if Casey leaves and if Melky leaves you will need an OF unless you go with Reimold in left and Gose/Pillar in center. Plenty of money since not many free agents will play here.

 

Ken, your second paragraph is the answer to your first paragraph.

 

The Jays will keep all their vets to free agency and let them walk, because god forbid one fan gets upset the Jays traded a player away.

[kgm1]

Jesus f***... just forfeit the season if that is going to be the outfield.

 

Reimold if healthy should give you an OPS of 800 + Trouble is he has had only 1 healthy season. You would have to platoon him occasionally and it just doesn't work to have so many platoons . Melky is the best option out there but I suspect someone will give him a 4/48 type deal. Are you willing to do That?

[GoldenHawk07]

I'd be way more relaxed and confident about the remainder of the season if any team ahead of us looked like they would drop games.

 

Baltimore won't drop games the rest of the season, so we would have to do what? Match their record and then manage another 4-8 wins on top of that?

 

KC is rolling and playing amazing team baseball, something we are incapable of doing.

 

Detroit is too good to stay .500 (these past few weeks) for long.

 

We don't have Detroit's pitching, Baltimore's hitting, or KC's team play and bullpen.

 

Conclusion? Even a 27-13 record I don't think will be good enough since i can see all 3 of those teams having the same if not better record. Also, lol that anyone thinks we have anchance of only losing 1 out of every 4 games or so the rest of the way.