Phillies turned in an unsigned draft pick to NCAA for using agent

[imsorry4beatinU]

Classless move by the Phillies for sure. Does anybody think we could sign this guy? He can't play baseball in college this year.

 

 

http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/eye-on-baseball/24449174/report-phillies-turn-unsigned-draft-pick-in-to-ncaa-for-using-an-agent

[HERPDERP]

The Jays also did the same thing with Paxton, intentional or not.

[The Cats Ass]

That is a s***** thing for them to do. But it may be smart for them in the long term, especially now where teams have the cap space to worry about. Say the Phillies draft a HS player in the future, that player will be more careful and more likely to accept their offer if it is fair than risk being exposed for using an agent.

[GD]

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[KingKat]

That is a s***** thing for them to do. But it may be smart for them in the long term, especially now where teams have the cap space to worry about. Say the Phillies draft a HS player in the future, that player will be more careful and more likely to accept their offer if it is fair than risk being exposed for using an agent.

 

After this, I wouldn't even answer the phone if I was drafted by the Phillies. I'd go to College for a year and hope to get drafted by someone else.

[TheHurl]

I just hope some draft pick turns this on the Phillies next year and publicly claim they offered a pre-draft deal. Same situation, everyone does it but I think the penalty would be the Phils losing a pick the next year. Classless move, classless org, classless city

[Abomination]

One agent's take,

 

"As of today, Phillies are out. Phillies are not getting into any more of our households. We're shutting down all communications"

 

Funny that an agent who is breaking the rules is getting bent out of shape over a team calling someone out over it (even though it's a really low move by the Phillies). They need to get rid of that rule now regardless, and let the prospects select an agent if they wish to.

[John_Havok]

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Folks don't know what happened and who did it. Yet we get all this accusatory condemning craziness. Settle down, Beavises. It could have been something that went well beyond the typical accepted deviations from the rule. Classless posters? Classless internet? Classless planet? Classless universe?

 

Read a f***ing story. It's being reported EVERYWHERE that Philly turned in the player as well as another one of their unsigned picks. STFU with your constant contrary ********

 

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/mlb-big-league-stew/report-phillies-turned-unsigned-draft-pick-ben-wetzler-060611771--mlb.html

[jays4life19]

Phillies Accuse Two 2013 Draftees Of NCAA Violations

By Steve Adams [February 20 at 7:30pm CST]

 

Baseball America's Aaron Fitt is reporting that the Phillies notified the NCAA that a pair of their 2013 draftees -- fifth-rounder Ben Wetzler and sixth-rounder Jason Monda -- were both in violation of the "no agent" rule after both players elected to return to their respective colleges for their senior seasons.

 

As Fitt notes, that rule is widely -- near universally, in fact -- disregarded among draft prospects. He points back to a BA story from 2008 in which one AL scouting director stated: "Every single player that we deal with—I don’t care what round you’re talking about—has representation, has an agent."

 

Monda has since been cleared to play for Washington State this season, but Wetzler's investigation is ongoing, leaving Oregon State without its left-handed ace, according to Fitt. He goes on to note that just because these accusations are in place doesn't mean that Wetzler and Monda actually violated the rules, adding that an NCAA ruling is expected by the end of the week.

 

Fitt was able to reach Phillies scouting director Marti Wolever, who declined comment. Matt Gelb of the Philadelphia Inquirer reached Phillies GM Ruben Amaro Jr., who also declined to comment and referred further inquiries to Wolever (Twitter link).

 

This story is of particular note given the fact that agents who are advising draft prospects are unhappy and could withhold information from the Phillies as the draft approaches. In a followup tweet to his story, Fitt quotes on agent who told him, "As of today, Phillies are out. Phillies are not getting into any more of our households. We're shutting down all communications." He also tweets that multiple agents have said there will be repercussions for the Phillies.

 

Scout.com's Kiley McDaniel and ESPN's Keith Law have heard the same from agents in conversations today (Twitter links). Law goes on to speculate (via Twitter) that the Phillies may not receive information about the signability of some prospects, as well as their questionnaire responses and psych exam results.

 

NCAA rules state that players aren't able to have agents heading into the draft, but nearly all draft prospects circumvent that rule by enlisting an "advisor" -- an agent who assists in the negotiation of the contract without a signed agreement of representation from that prospect. Once the player has signed with the team, the advisor becomes his agent and receives a cut of the contract agreed upon between player and team.

 

Advisors aren't supposed to deal directly with the club -- a technicality that gained attention back in 2009 in regards to lefty Andy Oliver. As the New York Times' Katie Thomas reported at the time, Oliver sued the NCAA after he was declared ineligible to play after it was learned that he had an agent present in his negotiations with the Twins. Oliver was eventually awarded $750K. Fitt spoke with multiple lawyers at the time of that trial, with one professor of sports law telling him: "The MLBPA, not the NCAA, is the proper entity to be regulating the player-agent relationship."

[TheHurl]

Funny that an agent who is breaking the rules is getting bent out of shape over a team calling someone out over it (even though it's a really low move by the Phillies). They need to get rid of that rule now regardless, and let the prospects select an agent if they wish to.

 

asking a players parents to discuss a contract with a major league team without an agent present would be brutal. It's all about the NCAA and their stupid rules. The worst part is that there are so many others that are even more stupid, in rowing it's tradition that the teams bet shirts. Winners get the jerseys of the losers. When Women's rowing became a regulated sport (Men's still isn't as their aren't enough schools competing...title IX ********) they outlawed the practice claiming that it would be gambling...then took it a step further and removed the scholarship from an Olympian who accepted their opponents jersey.

 

Then there is the school that was sanctioned for providing chocolate milk to their tennis players. Gatorade is an NCAA sponsor so you can give them that...but chocolate milk is considered "paying" a player.

[jays4life19]

Then there is the school that was sanctioned for providing chocolate milk to their tennis players. Gatorade is an NCAA sponsor so you can give them that...but chocolate milk is considered "paying" a player.

 

Wow, that's so dumb.

 

What school was that?

[G-Snarls]

I just hope some draft pick turns this on the Phillies next year and publicly claim they offered a pre-draft deal. Same situation, everyone does it but I think the penalty would be the Phils losing a pick the next year. Classless move, classless org, classless city

 

Good steak sanwhiches

[G-Snarls]

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[G-Snarls]

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[G-Snarls]

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[KingKat]

Good steak sanwhiches

 

... and great fans.

 

Edited February 21, 2014 by KingKat

[G-Snarls]

... and great fans.

 

 

Yeah I just posted some prime examples LOL

[KingKat]

... and great fans.

 

 

So is it rule that you can only embed videos in the off-topic forum?

[o2cui2i]

I just hope some draft pick turns this on the Phillies next year and publicly claim they offered a pre-draft deal. Same situation, everyone does it but I think the penalty would be the Phils losing a pick the next year. Classless move, classless org, classless city

 

isn't this a little like the whole steroid thing 15 years ago. everyone knows it's going on but no one says anything and if anyone does it turns into a he said, she said, someone put a needle in his ass kind of thing?

[G-Snarls]

So is it rule that you can only embed videos in the off-topic forum?

 

Seems to be, yes

[G-Snarls]

[G-Snarls]

If I was a player I would tell the Phillies not to draft me. That's ********. Wrecking kids lifes because of sour grapes.

 

But Amaro ISN'T WORRIED about it

[G-Snarls]

Amaro Jr:

 

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[RIPEXPOS]

What a s***** thing to do.

[TheHurl]

Almost seems like Amaro is playing a fun game of "lets see how much harm I can do...and still not get fired".

 

Ryan Howard extension...still here

Need a back up OF and back up 1B, let Brandon Moss walk for nothing ... still here

2 year deal to a 45 year old...still here

Let Jason Grilli walk just because he had an opt out clause in his contract that Amaro was pissed was included.

$50M closer...still here

[The Cats Ass]

Almost seems like Amaro is playing a fun game of "lets see how much harm I can do...and still not get fired".

 

Ryan Howard extension...still here

Need a back up OF and back up 1B, let Brandon Moss walk for nothing ... still here

2 year deal to a 45 year old...still here

Let Jason Grilli walk just because he had an opt out clause in his contract that Amaro was pissed was included.

$50M closer...still here

 

Some say you gotta hit rock bottom before you can climb