Arod suspended 162 games

[ElNik2013]

We don't know what Arod did though.

 

Anyway, the people complaining that it helps the Yankees and whatever, two things: First, Arod is still by far the best option at 3B for them. Now they have to play the whole season with someone worse. And two, it's not like the rules have just been made up now. This is the way it's always been: a player is suspended for PEDs, they don't get paid, and the team doesn't have to pay.

 

This is MLB going after Arod, not trying to help New York.

 

 

 

What if said player never failed a drug test?

[GeorgiaPeach]

Baseball needs to collectively agree to stop enabling this maniac and more generally stop making PEDs a hot-topic. Let ARod fade into obscurity.

 

Still one of the best players ever.

[GeorgiaPeach]

Unless those fans have a workplace drug test policy, it's not the same thing.

 

What I'm getting at is, a baseball fan who also does 'roids, or uses other drugs/substances that could get a MLB player suspended, can't really cast stones on how bad a person AROD or any other player who is involved in using the same drugs and plays ball is.

[connorp]

What if said player never failed a drug test?

 

That ship has sailed bro. I used to think with that logic..i thought all the players involved could therefore beat it..but the language clearly states they dont need a positive test..so thats why literally ALL those guys minus ARod took the plea deal.

[BlueJayWay]

What if said player never failed a drug test?

Well clearly MLB thinks he either did that, or something worse. It's still under the whole 'suspension for PEDs' umbrella.

[John_Havok]

That ship has sailed bro. I used to think with that logic..i thought all the players involved could therefore beat it..but the language clearly states they dont need a positive test..so thats why literally ALL those guys minus ARod took the plea deal.

 

Yeah I red the JDA pretty thoroughly yesterday, and there is language in there to suspend for possession or selling of PED's or other drugs as well. But they also provide actual suspension length numbers. The reason it's up to 162 games is under the Basic Agreement, where allegedly a-rod tried to obstruct their investigation.

 

Under the Basic Agreement ARTICLE XII—Discipline "B. Conduct Detrimental or Prejudicial to Baseball Players may be disciplined for just cause for conduct that is materially detrimental or materially prejudicial to the best interests of Baseball including, but not limited to, engaging in conduct in violation of federal, state or local law. The Commissioner and a Club shall not discipline a Player for the same act or conduct under this provision. In cases of this type, a Club may only discipline a Player, or take other adverse action against him, when the Commissioner defers the disciplinary decision to the Club."

 

I looked through pretty thoroughly though, and nowhere in the Basic agreement does is say how long or short suspensions could be if someone is suspended under this clause. It's incredibly broad, basically just means if the Commissioner thinks a player has done something bad, he can suspend them as long as the team has not taken any action.

[John_Havok]

Fangraphs article from Wendy Thurm:

 

http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/arbitrators-decision-on-rodriguez-suspension-leaves-bad-taste/

[connorp]

Yeah I red the JDA pretty thoroughly yesterday, and there is language in there to suspend for possession or selling of PED's or other drugs as well. But they also provide actual suspension length numbers. The reason it's up to 162 games is under the Basic Agreement, where allegedly a-rod tried to obstruct their investigation.

 

Under the Basic Agreement ARTICLE XII—Discipline "B. Conduct Detrimental or Prejudicial to Baseball Players may be disciplined for just cause for conduct that is materially detrimental or materially prejudicial to the best interests of Baseball including, but not limited to, engaging in conduct in violation of federal, state or local law. The Commissioner and a Club shall not discipline a Player for the same act or conduct under this provision. In cases of this type, a Club may only discipline a Player, or take other adverse action against him, when the Commissioner defers the disciplinary decision to the Club."

 

I looked through pretty thoroughly though, and nowhere in the Basic agreement does is say how long or short suspensions could be if someone is suspended under this clause. It's incredibly broad, basically just means if the Commissioner thinks a player has done something bad, he can suspend them as long as the team has not taken any action.

 

I hate Selig and his PED crusade as much as the next guy..but in terms of the broadness you quoted..that has to be. You cant tie up all criminal charges and such with a pretty bow.

 

What if its a case like Aaron Hernandez, Michael Vick, Jerry Samdusky.. Even with more common infractions like DWI or Domestic Abuse.. The severity of the cases can differ..

 

It needs to be handled on a case-by-case basis..and they have an arbitrator in place. The system itself is fine.

[John_Havok]

I hate Selig and his PED crusade as much as the next guy..but in terms of the broadness you quoted..that has to be. You cant tie up all criminal charges and such with a pretty bow.

 

What if its a case like Aaron Hernandez, Michael Vick, Jerry Samdusky.. Even with more common infractions like DWI or Domestic Abuse.. The severity of the cases can differ..

 

It needs to be handled on a case-by-case basis..and they have an arbitrator in place. The system itself is fine.

 

True, but I think the major problem is deciding what is "materially detrimental or materially prejudicial to the best interests of Baseball including, but not limited to, engaging in conduct in violation of federal, state or local law." That's an incredibly broad statement. Why is A-Rod obstructing the gathering of evidence against himself considered so much worse than DWI or Domestic abuse?

[TheHurl]

. Why is A-Rod obstructing the gathering of evidence against himself considered so much worse than DWI or Domestic abuse?

 

Was the DWI by a player that is helpful or harmful in MLB marketing?

[DuckDuckGose]

Was the DWI by a player that is helpful or harmful in MLB marketing?

 

You keep saying this Hurl but let's not forget that the MLB went after Braun with the same tenacity which definitely did not help market the game. ARod is a narcissist which is why he is making this about himself against Selig.

[connorp]

True, but I think the major problem is deciding what is "materially detrimental or materially prejudicial to the best interests of Baseball including, but not limited to, engaging in conduct in violation of federal, state or local law." That's an incredibly broad statement. Why is A-Rod obstructing the gathering of evidence against himself considered so much worse than DWI or Domestic abuse?

 

Well, bare in mind it has to start with a min of 50 games like the other guys got. So its unlike DWI and such.. From that point, its understandable he would get more considering not only his actions with the tampering..but hes admitted to using in the past and failed samples years ago.. So i think 75-100? games seems fair.. We dont know he wasnt offered something like that or Brauns deal when he told them to f*** off.

[kgm1]

I have read tons of different #,s as to how much the Yankees save for the Lux tax to get under the 189 . This from Baseball America

 

After months of waiting, arbitrator Fredric Horowitz has finally rendered his verdict: Yankees third baseman Alex Rodriguez will be suspended 162 games—a full season—plus any postseason games, should the Yankees reach the playoffs this year.

 

Rodriguez was suspended last August games for his role in the Biogenesis PED affair, but he appealed the ruling and played the remainder of the 2013 season. While the suspension is a reduction from commissioner Bud Selig’s original ruling of 211 games (the remainder of 2013 plus 2014), Horowitz’s decision is a win for the Yankees in their quest to lower payroll. The suspension strikes from the books all of Rodriguez’s salary of $25 million for this season.

Alex Rodriguez

 

Alex Rodriguez has been suspended for the entire 2014 season. (Photo by Bill Nichols)

 

He is still scheduled on Wednesday to receive a $3 million payment as part of the original $10 million signing bonus from the 10-year deal he signed with the Yankees during the winter of 2007.

 

In all, the Yankees save $27.5 million—the average annual salary of Rodriguez’s contract—which will help them reduce their payroll below the $189 million luxury tax threshold, which the team’s management has stated repeatedly as a goal rather than a mandate.

 

 

They certainly will also save some of the 6 mil bonus payments that he has for HR totals passing certain players . A total of 5 up to 30 million .

 

As Stanton Tweeted The traffic jams on the bridges yesterday were not caused by the governor of New Jersey but by all the champagne delivery trucks heading to Yankee stadium

[TheHurl]

You keep saying this Hurl but let's not forget that the MLB went after Braun with the same tenacity which definitely did not help market the game. ARod is a narcissist which is why he is making this about himself against Selig.

 

Braun is still very marketable and the best player in Milwaukee. A-Rod is hated even in his own city and has zero marketability to the league. That's what I mean by this. My comment was actually about Puig though who's indiscretions with his car are being swept under the rug. MLB.com on the week of Puig's speeding charge bumped an article about him giving a little league clinic in LA while not reporting the incident. On their front page today is two A-Rod articles.

[TheHurl]

I have read tons of different #,s as to how much the Yankees save for the Lux tax to get under the 189 . This from Baseball America

 

What is the actual number if they don't make the Luxury tax? They are now paying 50% of the amount over the cap as they are 4 years in a row over. Then they can go over next year and only pay 17.5% (so a saving of 32.5). Seeing as they paid $29.1M last year, this could be an $90M+ saving over four years ($40M this year and it all depends on how much they spend moving forward...bet they wish that Tanaka was getting posted next season). All for losing a player that is providing minimal help to their team. Of course this is only true if they can get under the cap.

[kgm1]

What is the actual number if they don't make the Luxury tax? They are now paying 50% of the amount over the cap as they are 4 years in a row over. Then they can go over next year and only pay 17.5% (so a saving of 32.5). Seeing as they paid $29.1M last year, this could be an $90M+ saving over four years ($40M this year and it all depends on how much they spend moving forward...bet they wish that Tanaka was getting posted next season). All for losing a player that is providing minimal help to their team. Of course this is only true if they can get under the cap.

 

Lot of money if they stay under the cap . Something also about money they won't have to contribute to revenue sharing that also kicks in and I remember Cashman on MLB radio stating this was more than the lux tax penalties . not sure how this works and maybe someone can shed some lite on this .

 

I think they are going to stay under the cap at least until the trade deadline when if they are in the lead and looking good all s*** goes out the window .

[NorthOf49]

LOL

 

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[connorp]

Im going To watch this 60m thing because its after football..

 

But seriously this Bosch guy is the worst kind of human being. f***ing little weasel/rat for a few bucks.

[TheHurl]

Rodriguez, Bosch, Scott Pelley and Bud Selig...I'd love to kick all 4 in the nuts. I know I wouldn't be starting with A-Rod

[Angrioter]

Gummies?

http://cdn.sheknows.com/articles/crave/gummy_bears.jpg

[Angrioter]

[Angrioter]

[connorp]

A-Rod is prob one of easiest guys to dislike in all of sports. Hes just weird. The kissing mirror stuff, the minotaur (forget that spelling?), his obsession with his image from his jeter days.. And he comes off as just huge douche

[DuckDuckGose]

sums it up quite well

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Narcissistic_personality_disorder

[TheHurl]

It's kind of amazing how unlikable Rodriguez is. I've disliked him since long before the PED implications, and I can't even really put my finger on the reasons why.

 

Sean Penn, Sandra Bernhard, Guy Ritchie, Jellybean, David Blaine, Warren Beatty and Vanilla Ice...anyone who sleeps with Madonna is instantly unlikable.

 

I find it funny that Bosch kept all those text messages, but the one to his girlfriend threatening his life wasn't shown.

[TheHurl]

MLBPA threatening MLB with a suit, I love it!

 

“It is unfortunate that Major League Baseball apparently lacks faith in the integrity and finality of the arbitrator's decision and our Joint Drug Agreement, such that it could not resist the temptation to publicly pile-on against Alex Rodriguez. It is equally troubling that the MLB-appointed Panel Arbitrator will himself be appearing in the "60 Minutes" segment, and that Tony Bosch, MLB's principal witness, is appearing on the program with MLB's blessing.

 

“MLB’s post-decision rush to the media is inconsistent with our collectively-bargained arbitration process, in general, as well as the confidentiality and credibility of the Joint Drug Agreement, in particular. After learning of tonight's "60 Minutes" segment, Players have expressed anger over, among other things, MLB's inability to let the result of yesterday's decision speak for itself. As a result, the Players Association is considering all legal options available to remedy any breaches committed by MLB.

[kgm1]

It's kind of amazing how unlikable Rodriguez is. I've disliked him since long before the PED implications, and I can't even really put my finger on the reasons why.

 

 

He is pretty easy to hate . but I think the biggest reason I hate the guy and I'm overboard on my hate for him is because he acts like he is bigger than the game . Ditto Selig who I hate just as much .

Kind of funny that the two most hated people in the game are slugging it out .

[TheHurl]

It's amazing how there are rumours that many NBA players (including some that play in Miami) are said to be affiliated with Bosch yet it's kept nice and quiet. Baseball and Selig feel they have this f***ing legacy as "America's game" to uphold.

[kgm1]

It's amazing how there are rumours that many NBA players (including some that play in Miami) are said to be affiliated with Bosch yet it's kept nice and quiet. Baseball and Selig feel they have this f***ing legacy as "America's game" to uphold.

 

The NBA is smart enough to realize all the BAD news won't help their image and don't have a stupid ******* as their Comish trying to ensure a legacy he won't get anyway . If someone were to do a poll on every MLB board on who is the most hated man in baseball I think Arod would win but Selig would be a very close 2nd .

[kgm1]

The thing that is really stupid is the HGH ban . With hundreds of millions every year sitting wasted on the DL every year you would think owners would want to hasten recovery of these players and HGH is one medicine that would go a long way towards that .

 

It doesn't have any of the heath questions of other PEDs and truth be told all I can see that it does is help people stay healthy and age slower . Hell if I could afford it and easily get it I would definitely be taking it .