Blue Jays "in the lead" to sign Santana or Jimenez

[Angrioter]

FOX Sports' Ken Rosenthal reports that the Blue Jays are a "leading candidate" to sign either Ervin Santana or Ubaldo Jimenez.

The Blue Jays' two first-round draft picks -- Nos. 9 and 11 -- are both protected, so they'd only have to forfeit a second-rounder (and the accompanying pool money) to sign either pitcher. The club has also talked to the Cubs about a trade for Jeff Samardzija as they attempt to upgrade their rotation. At last check, both Santana and Jimenez were looking for $17+ million per season.

 

 

Jimenez/Santana in, Tanaka out

Edited January 5, 2014 by Angrioter
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[jaysfan2014]

Don't rule us out on Tanaka yet. He has yet to sign anywhere. And Santana/Jimenez are likely going to have to reduce demands soon, as we're about 6 weeks until pitchers & catchers report.

[xposbrad]

They were never really in Tanaka since the Dodgers/Yankees are in on him, so it was just BS talk to spur interest for the fans to pretend the Blue Jays were looking to win this year. Jiminez/Santana are fall back options just to save face. Both of those guys are pretty inconsistent, and will cost a draft pick. I would have preferred Garza.

 

That being said, I'd still prefer Santana over Jiminez.

Edited January 5, 2014 by xposbrad

[eastcoastjaysfan]

Super misleading thread title yeesh

[The Cats Ass]

If we don't get Tanaka(which we won't), I'd like us to get Ubaldo. He was insane over the 2nd half. Actually, ever since his 4th start of the season. He seems to have re-discovered himself to an extent.

[ElNik2013]

They should at least try to drive up the price for Tanaka so that the Yanks pay through their noses.

[ElNik2013]

It depends on the price they get these guys for. I may lean towards Garza because of his past success and the draft pick, but who knows, Garza may want to play in the WC.

 

We've already seen rumors of Hudson possibly choosing SF over Toronto so who really knows.

[GD]

Mods for the love of god change the thread title I nearly had a heart attack

[NorthOf49]

It's tricky because we have connections to both. Santana is a friend of Bautista and the rest of the Dominicans, while AA has liked Jimenez in the past. I would lean Santana, but would prefer Garza over both.

[GD]

I don't want either. Garza, Tanaka or nothing.

[The Cats Ass]

In Ang's defense... Quote from a Ken Rosenthal article.

 

The Jays are a leading candidate to sign either Santana or Jimenez

 

http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/los-angeles-angels-best-time-to-add-payroll-pay-luxury-tax-masahiro-tanaka-matt-garza-albert-pujols-mike-trout-010414

[Brenner]

For the people who want a 200+ IP guy Santana is that, he has done it many times. Santana has been consistently better as well. Jimenez on the other hand is much better at keeping the ball in the park, he doesn't give up alot of HR and

that includes a few years in Colorado.

[LunchBox]

Santana has been consistently better as well.

 

lol you might want to double check that. However, you're right about the HRs and to a much lesser extent the durability.

[G-Snarls]

There is something to the rumour I guess but yeah OP makes it sound more definite than it should

 

 

[GD]

There is something to the rumour

 

PLEASE CHANGE THE THREAD TITLE it keeps giving me a heart attack

 

Maybe put like "Rumor: Jays in the lead for Santana and Jimenez" or something like that

[G-Snarls]

I'd prefer Tanaka at 18M per season over either of these guys at 14-15M

 

But if AA knows that Tanaka won't sign here he probably really does need to sign one of them. I'd prefer that to trading Sanchez+Stroman or Edwin for a starter.

[The Cats Ass]

I'd prefer Tanaka at 18M per season over either of these guys at 14-15M

 

But if AA knows that Tanaka won't sign here he probably really does need to sign one of them. I'd prefer that to trading Sanchez+Stroman or Edwin for a starter.

 

What about Tanaka at 20M per season? Because that's what it's gonna take.

[G-Snarls]

What about Tanaka at 20M per season? Because that's what it's gonna take.

 

Yeah sounds like 7/140 he wants and might get. That's hard to swallow for a guy who's never pitched in the majors against guys like Chris Davis and Robinson Cano.

[The Cats Ass]

Yeah sounds like 7/140 he wants and might get. That's hard to swallow for a guy who's never pitched in the majors against guys like Chris Davis and Robinson Cano.

 

And then factor in the 20M posting. Works out to about an extra 3M/yr on a 7 year contract.

[NorthOf49]

PLEASE CHANGE THE THREAD TITLE it keeps giving me a heart attack

 

Maybe put like "Rumor: Jays in the lead for Santana and Jimenez" or something like that

That's not even true either lol. This isn't a new rumour, it's just Rosenthal telling us to calm down since the Jays remain interested in these guys, being a "leading candidate." They've been that for months.

[SAAviour]

If tanaka is gonna cost $25 mil per season, why don't we sign Santana and ubaldo for a total of about $30 mil per season.

Both seemed to have figured something out last year. I say throw Jimenez on the weighted ball program immediately as well, try to gain 1-2 mph back on his fastball.

[dineke]

Who said they're willing to spend 25 mil a year on Tanaka?

[Anemic0ffense]

I like Santana more. Not sure why everyone is so down on him. Yeah, he had that s***** season a couple of years ago, but the guy is almost an instalock for 200 innings, and we need those types of arms if we're rolling with Morrow in the rotation. If we get Santana for 4/56, I wouldn't be that upset.

[ILDD]

Where's the option for both of them? I'd love to give up 2nd and 3rd round picks and get them both. Maybe even offer both QO's and upgrade to two picks in the mid-30's rather than one in the mid 40's and one in the late 80's.

[TheHurl]

The headline from Rosenthal should have been 'Blue Jays logical fit for Santana or Jimenez".

 

Proper headlines don't generate reads though.

[leaffie]

This is from Buster Olney:

 

 

Santana has had elbow trouble, and given all that we know about predicting injuries (read Russell Carlton's work on the topic here), some teams undoubtedly are wary of the possibility of a breakdown for a 31-year-old pitcher.

[LunchBox]

Yeah but new "secret pitch" > elbow trouble, everyone knows that.

[jays4life19]

Poll is kinda tough to answer without knowing the contracts that will be had.

[TheHurl]

Santana throws two pitches (an occasional not overly effective change). His slider is amazing and will be amazing again this year. But if his fastball loses a tick (like in 2012) or he throws the slider for strikes less, he's completely useless again. That's what I don't like about him. If he were a 21 year prospect I'd be throwing the reliever tag on him. The fact that he has pitched so many innings is a testament to how good that slider is...but his success is still dependent on the 55% of the time that he's throwing the FB.

[Angrioter]

Santana's fastball used to touch the three-digit but..............long, long time ago