Around Baseball 2014

[KingKat]

"The new stadium will be constructed in a public/private partnership."

 

That's code for Georgia taxpayers will be left holding the bag.

[G-Snarls]

I think he didn't make trades because he didn't think they were worth-while. I think he was right that time. Unfortunately he can make all the right moves in the world from here on out and it won't make up for the awful Marlins trade (and a few others).

 

Valencia was a reasonably pickup (depending on what you though of Kratz).

 

A solid right hand pen arm wasn't too much to ask.

 

A starting pitcher like Lester/Shark was both enormously expensive and not even clearly necessary so I'm certainly glad he didn't do something crazy like that.

[G-Snarls]

C'mon trading Francisco and a C prospect for Headley, and taking on Prado's contract would've definitely helped.

 

He's the guy I wanted most at the time and yes, that package would have been beyond fine.

 

But where would we be with Prado instead of Valencia? Still not in the playoff picture IYAM. Though no worse off except for a few bucks cause Francisco is done with us anyway I'm sure.

 

Yes I wish he had made that deal. But I don't think it would have helped enough. Just IMHO.

[KingKat]

C'mon trading Francisco and a C prospect for Headley, and taking on Prado's contract would've definitely helped.

 

Agree with the former but the commitment to Prado only makes sense if you have a lot of money to burn and the Jays don't really seem to have that.

[G-Snarls]

Think long term. Prado next season would be a massive upgrade over the s*** we are throwing out at 2B.

 

Who cares if he didn't single handedly push us into the playoffs this season

 

I forgot Prado was under contract next year, oops

 

Headley, Drew and Johson were the rentals getting tossed around

[KingKat]

Think long term. Prado next season would be a massive upgrade over the s*** we are throwing out at 2B.

 

Who cares if he didn't single handedly push us into the playoffs this season

 

He's actually garbage as a 2B but I suppose you could move Lawrie there instead.

[KingKat]

I forgot Prado was under contract next year, oops

 

Headley, Drew and Johson were the rentals getting tossed around

 

He's making 11 million each for 2015 and 2016. Valencia is arb eligible I think. I could see why the Jays would have preffered the smaller commitment.

 

My preffered option would have been to acquire Headley and worry about 2015 later.

[Vincent]

Yikes! Poor bastard... looks like he's healing up pretty good.... just a bit swollen still.

[z3r0s]

looking pretty good actually when you know what happened to him.

[baubau]

Yikes. Good to see he's up and smiling. Hopefully he won't have any hesitation when coming back. Couldn't imagine what that would be like. Such a stud player.

[BTS]

Fun fact of the day

 

 

That's actually mind-blowing.

[jaysfan2014]

Just saw Baltimore's 1997 clinch in Toronto. You know, like the 1997 team, it will be difficult to keep their team together after this season, similar to the 1997 team.. no way Peter Angelos is going to repeat the same mistakes he made back then.. plus he has less money available than back in 1997/98, when the O's were drawing near the top in the MLB, instead of being just barely above Toronto now.

 

Based on revenues and the 50% rule, the O's, considering upcoming arb raises, they're not going to have a lot of space(if any) to keep Hardy, Cruz, Markakis..

[jaysfan2014]

From the Star today (can't find a link though):

 

Least Valuable Player (LVP): Dan Uggla (Hon. mention: Dunn, BJ Upton, Choo, McCann)

Cy Yuk (Not Cy Young): Edwin Jackson (HM to Stults, Masterson, Lewis)

Rookie Bust: Xander Bogaerts, Jackie Bradley Jr.(BOS)

Overhyped exec: Jon Daniels (TEX)

Arsonist of the Year: Jim Johnson (HM: Rex Brothers, Ronald Belisaro)

Worst Manager: John Farrell (HM: Bo Porter, Ron Roeniicke, Bob Melvin)

Drug Suspension: Chris Davis

 

No surprise Farrell got Worst Manager.. he's turned back into the awful manager who was so lousy that the Jays decided to bring Gibbons back. Xander Bogaerts may still pan out, though..

[G-Snarls]

From the Star today (can't find a link though):

 

Least Valuable Player (LVP): Dan Uggla (Hon. mention: Dunn, BJ Upton, Choo, McCann)

Cy Yuk (Not Cy Young): Edwin Jackson (HM to Stults, Masterson, Lewis)

Rookie Bust: Xander Bogaerts, Jackie Bradley Jr.(BOS)

Overhyped exec: Jon Daniels (TEX)

Arsonist of the Year: Jim Johnson (HM: Rex Brothers, Ronald Belisaro)

Worst Manager: John Farrell (HM: Bo Porter, Ron Roeniicke, Bob Melvin)

Drug Suspension: Chris Davis

 

No surprise Farrell got Worst Manager.. he's turned back into the awful manager who was so lousy that the Jays decided to bring Gibbons back. Xander Bogaerts may still pan out, though..

 

He wasn't a good manager last year either. He just got crazy good performances from every free agent that his GM signed and hardly anyone got hurt.

[RealAccountant]

He wasn't a good manager last year either. He just got crazy good performances from every free agent that his GM signed and hardly anyone got hurt.

 

Why haven't the jays got lucly like that in 20 years.

[Vincent]

That's actually mind-blowing.

 

Not really, who would green light Andrus...

[jaysblue]

For anyone interested, MLBTV is $3.99 for the rest of the season:

 

http://m.mlb.com/news/article/94998778/mlbtv-reduced-to-399-for-stretch-run

[Deadpool]

Not really, who would green light Andrus...

 

I think it's less "it's mind-blowing that he hasn't swing 3-0 more regularly" than it is "someone would try to bunt on a 3-0 count", which is several kinds of dumb.

[Vincent]

I think it's less "it's mind-blowing that he hasn't swing 3-0 more regularly" than it is "someone would try to bunt on a 3-0 count", which is several kinds of dumb.

 

Depends. For example, if it's a tie game, bottom of the 9th, nobody out, runner on second, sac bunting actually makes sense.... especially in a 3-0 count.

[Deadpool]

Depends. For example, if it's a tie game, bottom of the 9th, nobody out, runner on second, sac bunting actually makes sense.... especially in a 3-0 count.

 

I can't really think of a situation where the opportunity to work a walk wouldn't be better than a sac-bunt...

[Vincent]

I can't really think of a situation where the opportunity to work a walk wouldn't be better than a sac-bunt...

 

I just told you a situation and JFaS proved it's better (though marginally).

 

"64.3% chance to score one run with 1st and 2nd 0 out. 67.4% chance with runner at 3rd 1 out."

Edited September 17, 2014 by Vincent

[jays_fever]

^No he didnt..

[jaysblue]

http://m.mlb.com/news/article/95106248/umpire-joe-west-suspended-one-game-for-papelbon-incident

 

Joe West suspended one game!

[KingKat]

http://m.mlb.com/news/article/95106248/umpire-joe-west-suspended-one-game-for-papelbon-incident

 

Joe West suspended one game!

 

lol How big an ass do you have to be as an umpire to get suspended.

[jaysfan2014]

LOL at McCann being LVP. Bogaerts is no bust either. Edwin Jackson had a not brutal season too.

 

McCann got LVP votes because he is significantly overpaid for his skills, at $17M/year, which he doesn't deserve. As for Bogaerts, he really should have gotten more time in AAA for his bat and his glove. Still, he could pan out.

And Edwin Jackson.. are you out of your mind? He was horrid.. and they still have 2 years left of him.

[Sorrow]

McCann got LVP votes because he is significantly overpaid for his skills, at $17M/year, which he doesn't deserve. As for Bogaerts, he really should have gotten more time in AAA for his bat and his glove. Still, he could pan out.

And Edwin Jackson.. are you out of your mind? He was horrid.. and they still have 2 years left of him.

 

Jackson has a 4.33 FIP and a 4.04 xFIP, he's had a very unlucky season. McCann has been worth 2.1 fWAR before you include framing, which I believe he is positive in that being said he is being overpaid. Bogaerts has struggled but he's still a valuable piece to keep around agreed.

[burlingtonbandit]

McCann's contract is good.

 

While his framing is good that contract is not. You could acquire a good framer for much cheaper.

[RealAccountant]

JFAS,

 

What do you think is the value of 5 balls being turned into 5 strikes in a game

[jaysblue]

JFAS,

 

What do you think is the value of 5 balls being turned into 5 strikes in a game

 

http://i.imgur.com/HJWawLk.gif

[jaysfan2014]

McCann's contract is good.

 

Not at $17M/year. He was brought in to hit 25-30HR due to the short porch at Yankee Stadium and be a better option than Stewart/Cervelli/Romine, who they had last year. And he's a product of Yankee Stadium.. take him out of there and that contract really is awful. Look at his home/road splits!