jaysblue Old-Timey Member Posted December 23, 2014 Posted December 23, 2014 No, but I wouldn't be surprised if he was in the 1.5 range, which would make him a 5/1 K/B guy. Brad Radke type control, though with better K/9.
jaysblue Old-Timey Member Posted December 23, 2014 Posted December 23, 2014 Holy crap that's low. I didn't think Price would maintain his low BB rate and it turns out he did but that was twice as high. At the risk of being wrong again, I'll say he Hughes can't sustain it. Career bests happen and it's hard to imagine something that low not being a career best. Yeah that's going to be tough to sustain - it was a career best from him and I don't think we have seen a SP maintain a BB/9 below 1 for multiple years in a row (well off the top of my head I can't think of anybody). Like BTS said, Hughes likely goes back to being in the 1.5 range. Unbelievable season he had though! Edit: Cliff Lee had a 0.79 BB/9 in 2010, though never again had a season in which he was below 1 BB/9 again. Carlos Silva in 2005 had a 0.43 BB/9 back with the Twins lol. And Jon Lieber and David Wells were both at 0.92 BB/9 in 2004. Also, Wells in 2003 was 0.85 BB/9 so he had back-to-back seasons with a BB/9 below 1.
TheHurl Site Manager Posted December 23, 2014 Posted December 23, 2014 Love the one year out of nowhere extensions. You are paying somewhere in between their breakout year and the full body of work. Twins were willing to give prior to 2014 Hughes $9.2 a season for 3 years. Adding $4M a year for 3 years after the break out doesn't seem like anything.
TheHurl Site Manager Posted December 23, 2014 Posted December 23, 2014 a great angry email sent to Rosecrans about the Dodgers moves.
jaysfan2014 Old-Timey Member Posted December 23, 2014 Posted December 23, 2014 a great angry email sent to Rosecrans about the Dodgers moves. That person who wrote the e-mail doesn't know much about baseball. They'll just replace Kemp with top propsect Joc Pederson, who may be even better offensively and defensively at this stage than Kemp. Jimmy Rollins needed out of Philly, due to that horrible team. And Howie Kendrick didn't choke.. the Angels pitching did that in the playoffs this past season. As for Yasmani Grandal, he's got to be an upgrade over A.J. Ellis, who is mostly there for defense and pitch framing.. his offensive numbers were awful last year, and for a World Series contender that the Dodgers are, they needed someone better. And Hanley Ramirez at this stage is a DH in waiting.. I still feel he will be awful in LF in Boston, especially outside of Fenway.
jaysfan2014 Old-Timey Member Posted December 23, 2014 Posted December 23, 2014 ESPN giving caveat emptor(buyer beware) warnings regarding James Shields: http://espn.go.com/blog/sweetspot/post/_/id/54109/james-shields-is-a-risky Surprisingly, Shields, like Scherzer, has not signed yet.. teams must be concerned about the risk due to age, wear and tear on their arms, and ridiculous demands for pitchers who will not age well due to decreases in velocity and/or injury risk, especially with Scherzer.
Stangstag Old-Timey Member Posted December 23, 2014 Posted December 23, 2014 a great angry email sent to Rosecrans about the Dodgers moves. *pukes*
L54 Old-Timey Member Posted December 23, 2014 Posted December 23, 2014 a great angry email sent to Rosecrans about the Dodgers moves. And this is why you don't become attached to certain players. Sounds like a spoiled kid on Christmas morning, who got more presents than most other kids, but not the ones he wanted.
jaysfan2014 Old-Timey Member Posted December 23, 2014 Posted December 23, 2014 Preston Claiborne got claimed by the Marlins.. almost a bonus to go with David Phelps and Martin Prado. Wheter he's any good for the Marlins is questionable.. he wasn't very good with the Yankees.
Abomination Old-Timey Member Posted December 23, 2014 Posted December 23, 2014 ESPN giving caveat emptor(buyer beware) warnings regarding James Shields: http://espn.go.com/blog/sweetspot/post/_/id/54109/james-shields-is-a-risky Surprisingly, Shields, like Scherzer, has not signed yet.. teams must be concerned about the risk due to age, wear and tear on their arms, and ridiculous demands for pitchers who will not age well due to decreases in velocity and/or injury risk, especially with Scherzer. They say 5/90ish in that article, but from what I remember, the price on Shields is 5/110. Maybe that'll come down, but I don't blame teams for balking at it.
Abomination Old-Timey Member Posted December 23, 2014 Posted December 23, 2014 Apparently Selig got himself one hell of a retirement package. He's apparently going to get 6M / year.
Spanky99 Old-Timey Member Posted December 23, 2014 Posted December 23, 2014 Apparently Selig got himself one hell of a retirement package. He's apparently going to get 6M / year. Did you expect less, the owners have an astronomical amount of money, it's a kicker for ignoring the roids back in the day, lol.
Ehjays Verified Member Posted December 23, 2014 Posted December 23, 2014 Not sure if this has been posted but here was a live chat by Steve Adams Steve Adams Sorry for the late start again -- time zone confusion and last minute holiday shopping! Let's get going. via·about 2 hours ago Comment From Andrew Does Scherzer's price comes down as we get later in Free Agency? via·about 2 hours ago Steve Adams Nope. He's an exception to that type of thinking, I'd say. Prince Fielder (also Boras) got $214MM in February a few years ago. via·about 2 hours ago Comment From AJ Preller what do you think padres will give up if they get Hamels? via·about 2 hours ago Steve Adams Some combination of Wisler, Hedges, Renfroe and a couple of lower-end prospects. via·about 2 hours ago Comment From Andrew Why is Allen Craig not a Brewer yet? via·about 2 hours ago Steve Adams There aren't really everyday at-bats for him there, unless you move Lind to a bench role. Either of them is an expensive bench bat. via·about 2 hours ago Comment From fred Do you think the blue jays have any chance of signing james shields or max scherzer? via·about 2 hours ago Steve Adams Shields yes, Scherzer no. They don't give contracts longer than five years, per club policy, and that takes Scherzer off the table. via·about an hour ago Comment From G-MAN i think braves should trade gattis. his trade value will drop the less he catches right? via·about an hour ago Steve Adams Yeah I don't understand wanting to play him in the outfield at all. via·about an hour ago Comment From Brian Cashmania Any chance Gregorius can be put in a package for Tulowitzki? via·about an hour ago Steve Adams I guess, but I don't see the Yankees (or anyone, really) acquiring Tulowitzki this offseason. Yankees aren't a great fit anyway, as the Rockies would want pitching as the centerpiece. via·about an hour ago Comment From Ryan Why are the jays so quiet now? Are they Planning something? via·about an hour ago Steve Adams They've added Russell Martin, Josh Donaldson and Michael Saunders... that's already an excellent offseason. They just got a lot of their work done early. via·about an hour ago Comment From Rob What's prediction for Stephen Drew's contract at this point? Is he likely to land with either the Mets or Padres? via·about an hour ago Steve Adams I'd guess 1/8 or 1/9, but I can see him ending up with two years and $15MMish as well. Morales somehow got two years after all. via·about an hour ago Comment From Mark Would Max Scherzer accept a 4 year, 120 million dollar deal with the Cardinals? via·about an hour ago Steve Adams In a word: Nope. via·about an hour ago Comment From Pat Lots of extra OF in SD. Any chance of Chris Taylor from SEA for one of them mid prospect? via·about an hour ago Steve Adams Taylor could be of some interest but I wouldn't like him as a return in trade for someone like Seth Smith. I'm not a big Taylor fan though -- his success in 2014 seems entirely BABIP-driven. via·about an hour ago Comment From Giants WS Champs A... Will Venable to SF, what would it take? via·about an hour ago Steve Adams Probably not much. They don't have regular ABs for him in San Diego and he's only controlled for a year. A mediocre prospect and just taking his $4.25MM off the Padres' hands would be fine. Pick a random prospect ranked somewhere in the 15-20 range for the Giants and that seems fine. via·about an hour ago Comment From Cubsfan Do you see the Cubs doing anything of significance still this offseason? Daily waiver moves aside. via·about an hour ago Steve Adams I'll be surprised if they don't add an outfielder. via·about an hour ago Comment From Glong Why does scherzer and boras think he's worth so much? via·about an hour ago Steve Adams Because he's the best free agent on the market and one of the 5-10 best pitchers in baseball. via·about an hour ago Comment From Steve Who could the Jays pursue to improve their mediocre bullpen? via·about an hour ago Steve Adams Any number of quality arms still out there. Grilli and Soriano come to mind, but there are tons of free agents, and there's never a shortage of trade options. They could also just put Sanchez in the 'pen in 2015, but I get their desire to have him start instead. via·about an hour ago Comment From Josef How do you think the Giants will attack the rest of their offseason? via·about an hour ago Steve Adams I like them as a fit for Shields or Rasmus, and they have the money to spend. I even like them as a Scherzer landing spot. But they need a starter and a left fielder, and after getting a third baseman without spending any real money to do so, I feel like they've got a fairly large acquisition in them. via·about an hour ago Comment From Steve Why did sox trade Cespedes via·about an hour ago Steve Adams They have too many outfielders, he didn't seem to fit in well with the organization and he can't net them a draft pick at season's end due to a clause in his contract stating he has to be released to enter free agency. via·about an hour ago Comment From Rob Royals make a mistake to split up money given to Volquez, Morales & Rios instead of signing Scherzer or Shields? via·about an hour ago Steve Adams None of those signings impact the team beyond 2016. The argument that those three collectively equal Max Scherzer in terms of salary is a flawed one to me, because it completely neglects to acknowledge the risk of a seven-year deal for a pitcher. via·about an hour ago Comment From Ms fan If the Mariners can't get Seth Smith who's next? Can I say how stupid the Saunders trade was? via·about an hour ago Steve Adams I hated the Saunders trade for Seattle. via·about an hour ago Comment From STLguy Any chance of a NHLrumor website? via·about an hour ago Steve Adams Down the road perhaps, but not in the next year or anything. via·about an hour ago Comment From To Any moves the Twins might make? via·about an hour ago Steve Adams Could stand to add some bullpen help and a strong defensive center fielder. via·about an hour ago Comment From Fred Predict James Shields contract total. via·about an hour ago Steve Adams Five years, $105-110MM. Tim Dierkes had him at 5/95 back in October: http://www.mlbtraderumors.c... via·about an hour ago Comment From ATX Halo CJ Wilson for Haren? via·about an hour ago Steve Adams Can't see the Fish wanting to take on that contract. via·about an hour ago Comment From RUBEN AMARO JR cole hamels and ben revere to san diego for myers, mayin , hedges, wisler via·about an hour ago Steve Adams Too much going from SD to PHI. via·about an hour ago Comment From Shane Do you think the O's will take a shot at acquiring Jay Bruce? via·about an hour ago Steve Adams I don't think anyone will meet the Reds' asking price for Bruce. They'll check in out of due diligence, but Cincinnati's not going to trade him without a huge haul. via·about an hour ago Comment From Pads Fan Sean What are the chances the Padres continue the flurry of moves by going after Hamels, Profar, and/or Tulo? Most notably the first two? via·about an hour ago Steve Adams Profar makes a ton of sense for the Padres. Preller loves him and the team has no long-term answer at shortstop at the moment. via·about an hour ago Comment From Brian % chance the Red Sox land a true ACE by Spring through trade or signing?? 50%?? via·about an hour ago Steve Adams There's only one true ace on the free agent market, and it's Scherzer. On the trade front, Hamels is probably the only one that's all that available. I don't see them signing Scherzer, and the odds of them adding Hamels are much lower than 50 percent. Maybe 10 percent they get an ace? via·about an hour ago Steve Adams They could still sign Shields and call him an ace, but I'd beg to differ. via·about an hour ago Comment From Jared Who do you think won the Yankees-Marlins trade? via·about an hour ago Steve Adams I love Eovaldi, so I thought the Yankees did well, but Prado's a nice piece for Miami. It was a trade I didn't mind for either side. via·about an hour ago Comment From Tyler Was the giants move for mcgehee a good move for giants via·about an hour ago Steve Adams They didn't give up much but I'm not a huge McGehee fan. He's fine, but he doesn't have too much upside. via·about an hour ago Comment From Marty I'm a Reds fan what RH hitter is still available or likely for trade to man LF? via·about an hour ago Steve Adams Allen Craig, Marlon Byrd, Shane Victorino come to mind. via·about an hour ago Comment From Jimmy Salazar Any trade market for Dayan Viciedo? via·about an hour ago Steve Adams There's another option for the Reds. Sox won't get much back for him. He was terrible last season and everyone knows they want to move him and don't have regular at-bats for him. via·about an hour ago Comment From Mike Do you think Mauer has a comeback year? via·about an hour ago Steve Adams He'll never repeat his MVP season but yeah I think he's better than he was in 2014. I expect a bit more power this year... something like .300/.370/.440 wouldn't surprise me. via·about an hour ago Comment From Sam Why is Tomas not on the phils? via·about an hour ago Steve Adams Because the contract he signed said "Arizona Diamondbacks" at the top. And because the Phillies were concerned with his conditioning, defense and lack of athleticism. via·about an hour ago Comment From Mooney Salazar, Swisher, CHisenhall, Frazier and Naquin for Hamels? via·about an hour ago Steve Adams Swisher has negative trade value, and Chisenhall isn't any good. Frazier, Salazar and Naquin probably gets Amaro's attention to some extent, but I'm sure he'd try to pry Lindor away. via·about an hour ago Comment From LARRY Are the Yankees willing to part with any prospects for pitching help that could help them till Nova is back via·about an hour ago Steve Adams If they're just looking for a bridge why not just sign a veteran FA? via·about an hour ago Comment From Joe Could Pirates play Kang at 1b? via·about an hour ago Steve Adams Detracts a ton of his value. Play him at shortstop (Mercer's not particularly good) or just let him jump around between second/third/short/corner OF like they did with Harrison in 2014. via·about an hour ago Comment From Kevin Why are you so high on Eovoldi? via·about an hour ago Steve Adams He averages 96 mph out of the rotation with a league-average ground-ball rate and excellent control. Sign me up. via·about an hour ago Comment From Sam What do twins expect from Ervin Santana next year? via·about an hour ago Steve Adams 200 innings and an ERA in the 3.50-3.75 range? via·about an hour ago Comment From Steve Will the Rangers get Rosario from the Rockies? via·about an hour ago Steve Adams I don't think any club wants to play Rosario behind the plate much, but I guess Texas could give him some DH reps against lefties and sit Moreland, then start Rosario for 50 games at catcher maybe. I can see it, but he's really terrible from a defensive standpoint. via·about an hour ago Comment From Frank Do you think the Red Sox could put Joe Kelly in a package to trade for Jordan Zimmermann? via·about an hour ago Steve Adams As a piece, sure, but not as the main one going to Washington. via·about an hour ago Comment From IF you were John H... Is Mallex Smith a much improved version of Billy Hamilton? via·about an hour ago Steve Adams Yeah I'd listen on Kimbrel. Hamilton is faster than Smith and already succeeding in the Majors. Smith is a fringe prospect. Don't see how you think he can be an improved version, let alone much-improved. via·about an hour ago Comment From Sad Keanu What is #1 priority now for my SF Giants? Another elite pitcher or a LF? via·about an hour ago Steve Adams Pitching's the bigger need in my mind. via·about an hour ago Comment From Guest What catching options are still out there for the White Sox? via·about an hour ago Steve Adams Rosario (though he's a catcher in name only more or less), Jason Castro, Dioner Navarro via·about an hour ago Comment From Junior Will the Dodgers trade Ethie or Crawfor before season begins? via·about an hour ago Steve Adams I'd imagine that's the next big thing on Friedman's plate. I can see them unloading one if they eat enough of the contract. I agree with Rosenthal's take from awhile back that they'd need to pay about $30-35MM to move Ethier though. via·about an hour ago Comment From Michel Tulo for Nimmo synderguard degrom and gee is it possible via·about an hour ago Steve Adams Mets would never give up that much. No. via·about an hour ago Comment From Bravos Hope Is Nori Aoki a possibility for the Braves? via·about an hour ago Steve Adams Doubt it. Seems like they're looking at Gattis-Upton-Markakis as their outfield next year. via·about an hour ago Comment From Some Guy Any real chance Wil Myers lands in Philly as a piece of a Cole Hamels trade? via·about an hour ago Steve Adams Sure there's a chance, but I think it's a small one and expect San Diego to hang onto Myers. via·about an hour ago Comment From RJ Did Casey Janssen show enough (food poisoning aside) for a team other than Toronto to give him a closer's job? via·about an hour ago Steve Adams I don't think he lands a ninth-inning gig, but he's a solid reliever and could get some save opps if someone ahead of him struggles or gets hurt. via·about an hour ago Comment From Billy Bob Is Myers overrated? via·about an hour ago Steve Adams He hit .293/.354/.478 as a 22-year-old and has been lauded throughout his entire minor league career. I don't find him overrated just because he had a down/injured season in 2014, no. via·about an hour ago Comment From dapro85 What do you think about Severino for Cueto? Need another prospect? via·about an hour ago Steve Adams Yanks would have to give more than just Severino via·about an hour ago Comment From Hank wil myers = Gordan Beckham via·about an hour ago Steve Adams There are no words to express how much I disagree with that comparison. via·about an hour ago Comment From Mets fan So what is happening with our rotation? Is Gee getting traded or moved into the bullpen? Gotta open a spot for Harvey via·about an hour ago Steve Adams They'll probably move one of Gee, Niese or Colon (maybe two) sometime after New Years. via·about an hour ago Comment From Astros Fan Do you see any more moves from the Astros? via·about an hour ago Steve Adams I can see them moving Fowler and/or adding another reliever. Maybe a starter also. I don't think they're done yet. via·about an hour ago Comment From LARRY Severino and Gardner for Cueto??? via·about an hour ago Steve Adams Four years of Gardner is way too much to give up for Cueto. Gardner's quite good. That trade might not even make the Yankees that much better, since losing Gardner would hurt them quite a bit. via·about an hour ago Comment From Lj Outfield trade options for the O's ? via·45 minutes ago Steve Adams Any of the ones I listed for the Reds earlier apply here as well. They're a nice fit for a guy like Byrd. via·44 minutes ago Comment From sadBoy Will Corey Kluber have another excellent season in 2015 ? Or was 2014 just a fluke? via·44 minutes ago Steve Adams Legitimately excellent -- I expect him to be great in 2015 as well. via·44 minutes ago Comment From Dz5 for the O's, Jimenez for Swisher? via·43 minutes ago Steve Adams That'd be great for them, but sounds like Cleveland has no interest in it. via·43 minutes ago Comment From Ryan Dioner Navarro for aaron hill? via·43 minutes ago Steve Adams Navarro has legitimate trade value, while Hill's trade value is negative. via·43 minutes ago Comment From Rodney Is there a worse place to be right now other than being an A's fan? Why should I bother going to the Stadium in 2015? I don't like paying Major League prices to see Triple A talent ...... via·42 minutes ago Steve Adams It's not like they're looking at a historically bad roster. It's a bunch of young players and platoon options, which happens routinely in Oakland, and often with good results. At least go to watch Sonny Gray pitch. via·40 minutes ago Comment From Frankie Scott Best Free Agents for 2015-16? via·40 minutes ago Steve Adams There are SO many good ones. It's insane. Heyward, Justin Upton, Cueto, Zimmermann, Fister, Ian Desmond, Mat Latos via·39 minutes ago Steve Adams http://www.mlbtraderumors.c... via·39 minutes ago Steve Adams That link is the full list -- it's an excellent class. via·39 minutes ago Steve Adams Ok -- Blue Jays claimed Scott Barnes and Preston Guilmet... gotta go write that up. Thanks for chatting everyone and enjoy your holidays! Feel free to fire any followup questions my way on Twitter: @Adams_Steve.
GD Old-Timey Member Posted December 23, 2014 Posted December 23, 2014 s***, I would do Navarro for Hill, probably.
Ehjays Verified Member Posted December 23, 2014 Posted December 23, 2014 He is saying that Hill has Negative value......I was thinking I would as well.
gbill2004 Verified Member Posted December 23, 2014 Posted December 23, 2014 What's Hill's contract situation?
Sammy225 Old-Timey Member Posted December 23, 2014 Posted December 23, 2014 12M for the next 2 years which is a gamble on a guy with a huge down season.
gbill2004 Verified Member Posted December 24, 2014 Posted December 24, 2014 @Ken_Rosenthal: Source: Jason Grilli to #Braves.
jaysfan2014 Old-Timey Member Posted December 24, 2014 Posted December 24, 2014 @Ken_Rosenthal: Source: Jason Grilli to #Braves. So much for a rebuild in Atlanta.. they've already dealt Upton and Heyward..
GD Old-Timey Member Posted December 24, 2014 Posted December 24, 2014 Really thought AA would be all over Grilli
Deadpool Old-Timey Member Posted December 24, 2014 Posted December 24, 2014 a great angry email sent to Rosecrans about the Dodgers moves. I'm calling Poe's Law on that one, nobody could possibly be that dumb. ESPN giving caveat emptor(buyer beware)... Gunna go out on a limb and suggest that most people here know what caveat emptor means, and the rest probably have the internet to check... Apparently Selig got himself one hell of a retirement package. He's apparently going to get 6M / year. f*** Selig so hard. I hope he gets bone cancer and then gets raised by a necromancer and still has bone cancer as a skeleton...
LongTimeReader Verified Member Posted December 24, 2014 Posted December 24, 2014 Really thought AA would be all over Grilli People keep saying things like this as if there's not up to 29 other teams competing to improve their roster
gbill2004 Verified Member Posted December 24, 2014 Posted December 24, 2014 @JonHeymanCBS: ever-improved jays prioritizing closer. looking at trades 1st, then will consider free agents.
Mikeleelop Verified Member Posted December 24, 2014 Posted December 24, 2014 So much for a rebuild in Atlanta.. they've already dealt Upton and Heyward.. And kimbrell next
Mikeleelop Verified Member Posted December 24, 2014 Posted December 24, 2014 12M for the next 2 years which is a gamble on a guy with a huge down season. 12 mill per season right?
GD Old-Timey Member Posted December 24, 2014 Posted December 24, 2014 12 mill per season right? Yup. -- Idk, I think it's worth it. Navarro is 0 WAR for us considering he won't play much and can't frame for s***. That's 6M. So that's negative 6M of value. Hill is owed 24 M over two years. So he has to be worth like 3 WAR over 2 years, so like 1.5 WAR per year to be worth his contract. He's projected for 1.2 WAR next year, so I dunno, I could see him being at least more valuable than Navarro.
Deadpool Old-Timey Member Posted December 24, 2014 Posted December 24, 2014 @JonHeymanCBS: ever-improved jays prioritizing closer. looking at trades 1st, then will consider free agents. Cecil is likely better than any "closer" they could get via trade or free agency... but I hope they just ditch the idea of "closer" and use the best pitcher in the toughest situation, regardless of the save situation...
Stangstag Old-Timey Member Posted December 24, 2014 Posted December 24, 2014 Cecil is likely better than any "closer" they could get via trade or free agency... but I hope they just ditch the idea of "closer" and use the best pitcher in the toughest situation, regardless of the save situation... Kimbrel? Chapman?
xposbrad Verified Member Posted December 24, 2014 Posted December 24, 2014 Really thought AA would be all over Grilli I would have taken Romo and several other relievers who signed for similar amounts over Grilli.
GD Old-Timey Member Posted December 24, 2014 Posted December 24, 2014 Ninja AA trades for Kimbrel now
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