Are there players on the Jays you would be devastated if they were traded

[Angrioter]

Esmil Rogers DWL stream

 

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[Angrioter]

Esmil Rogers DWL stream

 

Circuito 3

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Esmil hit with a pitch to his older brother

[o2cui2i]

You can't get stuck on any one player. It all comes down to the trade. Think about it this way: would you trade any one of those guys for Trout? Yep and happy to do it.

 

you'd have to give a few players, who most people dont want to see gone, to get Trout and that's where the problem comes into the scenario.

 

Jays dont have any one player who is a huge chip to trade. any deal to bring in a top tier player will create more holes. AA and Beeston put the team in a bad spot with last off seasons trades.

[o2cui2i]

I would swim up the Amazon with 45 pound dumbbells tied to my scrotum and Ellen Degeneres’ queef as my air supply if it meant I could eat a seafood dinner with her over skype on a dial up internet connection.

 

you'd be swimming with half of the men from canada and their dial up. I guess that's the day to be a dumbbell salesman.

[Dick_Pole]

Frasor and his wife were sent to Chicago and our lives continued.

 

http://mopupduty.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/camp-frasor.jpg

 

I guess saves really don't matter in baseball.

[G-Snarls]

Esmil hit with a pitch to his older brother

 

Wait, who hit who?

[G-Snarls]

I guess saves really don't matter in baseball.

 

She likes the holds

[BlueJayWay]

no..

[BlueJayWay]

You can't get stuck on any one player. It all comes down to the trade. Think about it this way: would you trade any one of those guys for Trout? Yep and happy to do it.

The other thing is, it's not like the team has been rife with success. How wedded to the roster do you really wanna get?

[John_Havok]

Any trade has the potential to be a devastating trade if the players aren't valued properly.

 

This....many times over.

[NorthOf49]

The other thing is, it's not like the team has been rife with success. How wedded to the roster do you really wanna get?

And the team was very unlikable last year... these guys aren't lovable losers. I got pretty sick of watching their act by September.

 

As long as the roster as a whole improves and the farm stays relatively intact (keep Stroman), I don't care what AA does.

[Key22]

AA claims to be trying to get 3 starting pitchers and possibly a 4th - well since starting pitching is the biggest key to success in baseball - we'll have to wait and see what he gets. If he signs Garza, Santana, Jiminez and Tanaka - then we may have a shot at this thing after all! Trade Lind to the Pirates for 2 prospects - send those prospects and Sanchez to Chicago for Smartypants and then trade Rasmus, Izturas, Beurhle, Happ, and Jansen to Seattle For Taijuan Walker, Franklin, Ackley, Saunders and Montero.

[Angrioter]

Wait, who hit who?

 

Esmil Rogers HBP to his older brother Ed Rogers

[Dylan]

Esmil Rogers HBP to his older brother Ed Rogers

 

lol

[Abomination]

AA claims to be trying to get 3 starting pitchers and possibly a 4th - well since starting pitching is the biggest key to success in baseball - we'll have to wait and see what he gets. If he signs Garza, Santana, Jiminez and Tanaka - then we may have a shot at this thing after all! Trade Lind to the Pirates for 2 prospects - send those prospects and Sanchez to Chicago for Smartypants and then trade Rasmus, Izturas, Beurhle, Happ, and Jansen to Seattle For Taijuan Walker, Franklin, Ackley, Saunders and Montero.

 

He's not trying to get ALL 3 or 4. He has 3 or 4 targets via trade.

[Angrioter]

lol

 

Rogers

4 scoreless, 4H, 2BB, 4K's

[Key22]

He's not trying to get ALL 3 or 4. He has 3 or 4 targets via trade.

 

LOL - then the Jays are going to finish in last place. They have 2 starting pitchers that you can pretty much count on for 200 innings - and when I say count on these guys are what 38 and 39 years old - So "count on" here is a little optimistic. If AA is slotting in Morrow, Happ and Hutchison in an AL East rotation then they may as well blow it up and get prospects. None of these guys can be counted on for 100 innings let alone 190+ which is what is probably needed.

 

I am not sure if the Jays would have to surrender their 11th pic (as it was the 10th last year) in signing free agents. If they do - that may make them lear on guys like Jiminez - but if the 11th pick is protected then I'm not sure what they're waiting for. They clearly have money.

[ElNik2013]

AA claims to be trying to get 3 starting pitchers and possibly a 4th - well since starting pitching is the biggest key to success in baseball - we'll have to wait and see what he gets. If he signs Garza, Santana, Jiminez and Tanaka - then we may have a shot at this thing after all! Trade Lind to the Pirates for 2 prospects - send those prospects and Sanchez to Chicago for Smartypants and then trade Rasmus, Izturas, Beurhle, Happ, and Jansen to Seattle For Taijuan Walker, Franklin, Ackley, Saunders and Montero.

 

 

That's a lot of moves, lol. I'm interested in commenting on the 4th target that AA has called "a long shot". I'd like to guess, and run the risk of jinxing it, that this 4th target is Samardzija since the Cubs are believed to be asking for Stroman, Sanchez +. Well, I'm really hoping AA is referring to this as a long shot that he won't completely shut the door on because he's hoping the Cubs will come back and settle for Nolin+Pillar, hey a man can dream.

[Abomination]

LOL - then the Jays are going to finish in last place. They have 2 starting pitchers that you can pretty much count on for 200 innings - and when I say count on these guys are what 38 and 39 years old - So "count on" here is a little optimistic. If AA is slotting in Morrow, Happ and Hutchison in an AL East rotation then they may as well blow it up and get prospects. None of these guys can be counted on for 100 innings let alone 190+ which is what is probably needed.

 

I am not sure if the Jays would have to surrender their 11th pic (as it was the 10th last year) in signing free agents. If they do - that may make them lear on guys like Jiminez - but if the 11th pick is protected then I'm not sure what they're waiting for. They clearly have money.

 

Buehrle is only 34 right now (he just seems older), and Dickey is less concerning as a knuckleballer. We really only need 1 more guy we can count on for 200 innings. 2 would be nice, but with the prices this offseason I don't think it'll happen. One is essential.

 

We don't have to surrender the 11th pick.

[Key22]

That's a lot of moves, lol. I'm interested in commenting on the 4th target that AA has called "a long shot". I'd like to guess, and run the risk of jinxing it, that this 4th target is Samardzija since the Cubs are believed to be asking for Stroman, Sanchez +. Well, I'm really hoping AA is referring to this as a long shot that he won't completely shut the door on because he's hoping the Cubs will come back and settle for Nolin+Pillar, hey a man can dream.

Yeah the trade idea was meant in jest but you know Seattle is going for it and Rasmus/Beurle Jansen package for a Walker/Franklin/Ackley package could be somewhat enticing over JUST getting Price. Sure Price is better than Beuhrle but at Safeco on grass and a solid 200 innings and good clubhouss guy etc etc is a very very solid number 3 starter. Add in Rasmus who was what the second best ranked CF in the AL last year? Good defensively and solid power. Jansen was a terrific closer giving the M's and incredible back end of the rotation. Izturas would be a proven back up middle infield replacement for Cano and Happ would serve as fifth starter/sing man. That's a pretty impressive group of players. They would take on the high salary of Beurhle but that salary offsets the low salary of Rasmus.

 

The Jays get a Stud starting pitcher who is not ready yet but soon, A capable cheaper CF in Saunders whose numbers may increase at Rogers, two good second baseman and a gamble on Montero as a DH/1B. But the Jays pocket the salaries - $19m for beurhle, 5 million for Happ, 4.5 million Jansen, Rasmus 2.7 million, 3 million on Izturas. Seattle gets the better players and seem to be in win now mode. With the $30 million in salaries saved the Jays can afford two starting pitchers. So Walker, 2 starting pitchers, Ackley, Franklin, Montero. Rasmus and Jansen has to be enticing to most clubs and Beurhle too given that his contract while high in AAV is short.

[Jimcanuck]

Yeah the trade idea was meant in jest but you know Seattle is going for it and Rasmus/Beurle Jansen package for a Walker/Franklin/Ackley package could be somewhat enticing over JUST getting Price. Sure Price is better than Beuhrle but at Safeco on grass and a solid 200 innings and good clubhouss guy etc etc is a very very solid number 3 starter. Add in Rasmus who was what the second best ranked CF in the AL last year? Good defensively and solid power. Jansen was a terrific closer giving the M's and incredible back end of the rotation. Izturas would be a proven back up middle infield replacement for Cano and Happ would serve as fifth starter/sing man. That's a pretty impressive group of players. They would take on the high salary of Beurhle but that salary offsets the low salary of Rasmus.

 

The Jays get a Stud starting pitcher who is not ready yet but soon, A capable cheaper CF in Saunders whose numbers may increase at Rogers, two good second baseman and a gamble on Montero as a DH/1B. But the Jays pocket the salaries - $19m for beurhle, 5 million for Happ, 4.5 million Jansen, Rasmus 2.7 million, 3 million on Izturas. Seattle gets the better players and seem to be in win now mode. With the $30 million in salaries saved the Jays can afford two starting pitchers. So Walker, 2 starting pitchers, Ackley, Franklin, Montero. Rasmus and Jansen has to be enticing to most clubs and Beurhle too given that his contract while high in AAV is short.

 

Like the trade.... unfortunately jays in win now mode too

[Abomination]

That's a lot of moves, lol. I'm interested in commenting on the 4th target that AA has called "a long shot". I'd like to guess, and run the risk of jinxing it, that this 4th target is Samardzija since the Cubs are believed to be asking for Stroman, Sanchez +. Well, I'm really hoping AA is referring to this as a long shot that he won't completely shut the door on because he's hoping the Cubs will come back and settle for Nolin+Pillar, hey a man can dream.

 

The long shot part is definitely intriguing. I get a sense though that it isn't Samardzija, but rather involves a series of trades that juggle a number of current roster players. Samardzija may very well be one of the other 3.

[Key22]

Man he looks 38 LOL - I should not have assumed.

 

I guess my argument though is in a year when you have protected picks - that is the year to sign multiple free agents because we'd surrender 2nd and Third slots but we'd still have our first 2 - besides AA has generally chosen fodder and saved the money for later rounds. The problem is we're in the AL East - if we were in other divisions I'd say sure three number 3 starters is probably fine. But as I have pointed out - in the NL the 5 teams that made the playoffs - all 5 were ERA leaders 1-5. In the AL - team ERA again shows most important. All teams were in the top 7 in ERA. KC was first but scored 100 less runs than the next closest playoff team and 200 fewer runs than Boston. Had they had a reasonable offense they would have made it in.

 

The Jays need to have a top 5 ERA. The pen is fine - it was something like fourth. But Dickey and Beurhle while actually pretty good were surrounded by disasters. Adding one guy doesn't do it. And hoping on Morrow is not an option. Morrow, Romero, Happ, Hutchison, McGowan, Jenkins, Drabek, Rogers, Stroman, Nolin, as a collective group should be considered as the fifth starter option. One of them MIGHT MAYBE make it as the fifth starter or use them all in the role and get some production out of it.

 

That leaves 1-2 slots in the rotation because I don't think you can expect that Beurhle or Dickey will be better than they were last season. It could happen with Dickey but you can;t really expect it like you can from say a Felix Hernandex or Lee. So you slot those guys in as 3-3 starters. Both solid number 3 starters. On a good team they would be the 3-4 starters. With the Jays they're 1-2 starters and in the AL East that's not good enough. I'm not sure any of the free agents are any better. But if you have four number 3 "floor" guys that's pretty good. Jiminez is kinda that "floor" guy - he did win a Cy Young not that long ago and does flash ace level stuff - so does Dickey so does Morrow in fact.

 

I think two is the minimum and they should be as good or better than Dickey/Beurhle - the team ERA has to be better than the 4 teams ahead of us. With the Yankees, Tampa and Boston pitching staffs that is no easy task. Or we're going to have to score 100 runs more than those teams - and that's not happening.

[Key22]

I don't think the trade would hurt our chances. We have Santos and Delabar who can close - Jansen is more expensive and redundant. So it's not a big step back. Saunders can play center with Gose - no hit on defense and a while a hit on offense Rasmus is a wild card. He's going to be expensive soon. The money saved would allow us to replace Beurhle with say Jiminez and Garza. That would be an upgrade to the rotation. We would solve the second base dilemma as one of those 2B will work out and the other will be the back-up infielder. Seattle doesn't need them since they have Cano and a more playoff ready back up in Izturas - he's been there. Teams value that.

 

Walker doesn't have to be ready right away if the Jays replace Beuhrle. Now Seattle could just sign a starter who may be about as good for less money but with the trade they get as good a starter as the free agents plus a closer plus one of the best CF's in the game with pop. The rumour of Walker for Price to me is less valuable a return for the M's. They could get a true ace in Price though and that may be more attractive to them. But if they;re trying to win a WS - I'd have to think they'd want to upgrade in CF and in the pen and experience.

 

Besides the Jays being in win now mode is kind of silly when they finished dead last with the same group of guys as they had last year.

[TwistedLogic]

AA claims to be trying to get 3 starting pitchers and possibly a 4th - well since starting pitching is the biggest key to success in baseball - we'll have to wait and see what he gets. If he signs Garza, Santana, Jiminez and Tanaka - then we may have a shot at this thing after all! Trade Lind to the Pirates for 2 prospects - send those prospects and Sanchez to Chicago for Smartypants and then trade Rasmus, Izturas, Beurhle, Happ, and Jansen to Seattle For Taijuan Walker, Franklin, Ackley, Saunders and Montero.

 

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[GD]

realism

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

that idea

[Stangstag]

Yeah the trade idea was meant in jest but you know Seattle is going for it and Rasmus/Beurle Jansen package for a Walker/Franklin/Ackley package could be somewhat enticing over JUST getting Price. Sure Price is better than Beuhrle but at Safeco on grass and a solid 200 innings and good clubhouss guy etc etc is a very very solid number 3 starter. Add in Rasmus who was what the second best ranked CF in the AL last year? Good defensively and solid power. Jansen was a terrific closer giving the M's and incredible back end of the rotation. Izturas would be a proven back up middle infield replacement for Cano and Happ would serve as fifth starter/sing man. That's a pretty impressive group of players. They would take on the high salary of Beurhle but that salary offsets the low salary of Rasmus.

 

The Jays get a Stud starting pitcher who is not ready yet but soon, A capable cheaper CF in Saunders whose numbers may increase at Rogers, two good second baseman and a gamble on Montero as a DH/1B. But the Jays pocket the salaries - $19m for beurhle, 5 million for Happ, 4.5 million Jansen, Rasmus 2.7 million, 3 million on Izturas. Seattle gets the better players and seem to be in win now mode. With the $30 million in salaries saved the Jays can afford two starting pitchers. So Walker, 2 starting pitchers, Ackley, Franklin, Montero. Rasmus and Jansen has to be enticing to most clubs and Beurhle too given that his contract while high in AAV is short.

 

I like your plan, its just not very realistic. Plus AA is a moron, so this would never happen.