BlueJays also in on Brett Anderson

[Abomination]

I thought that was because they wanted to play Franklin. Isn't ackey an okay 2nd baseman?

 

Yeah, he's above average defensively at 2nd.

[G-Snarls]

Hopefully ANderson or Garza end up here and we don't lose any of our top prospects.

 

Yep

 

#SaveTheStroman

[Dr. Dinger]

Yes I meant cost. But I might actually take Samar over Price at the same cost. It would be hard to choose for me.

 

That's kooky talk, although I'd take Smarj + Sanchez + Stroman over Price, if that's the algebra here.

[TRM]

I only own one of those pitchers. They're who everyone has been talking about, not me-centric at all.

 

I don't understand how you missed the point, which was you that put Bailey first, and that it could have been Kershaw, Verlander, Bailey and the ghost of Nolan Ryan reincarnated and you still would have put Bailey first.

 

Yes, Nolan Ryan has died.

[Abomination]

Just out of curiosity maybe something like Bautista + for Iwakuma and Ackley? Then we can sign an outfielder?

 

I would be all for this.

[mitchf]

In regards to Anderson vs Garza, I tend to lean towards Garza based on this grouping of players. There should be a larger emphasis on fastball effectiveness over having a plus slider.

 

http://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?pos=all&stats=pit&lg=all&qual=y&type=7&season=2013&month=0&season1=2008&ind=0&team=0&rost=0&age=0&filter=&players=0&sort=3,d

 

If we can get Garza without getting fleeced by Beane and actually buying relatively low on him by free agent standards.. Alex would salvage a lot of lost value.

[BabbaGanoush]

Would Garza sign here though? That's the 50M over 4 years dollar question.

 

Id rather go after Jiminez. He's a safer bet to give you 32 starts, and I buy into the improvements he made in the second half last year. Garza is a guy who will give you 180 inn of 4 era ball, while Jiminez will give you 200 inn of 3.5 era ball.

[Dr. Dinger]

EWEWWWWWWWWwweeewweeeeeew

[TRM]

I honestly think Price is overrated, by people and his common stats. His SwStr% is actually quite bad. It was BELOW AVERAGE last year.

 

10th in 2013 FIP though

[KingKat]

10th in 2013 FIP though

 

Walk rate isn't sustainable especially when he's not pitching to Molina.

[G-Snarls]

I really think, that without a Rays catcher next year, Price will be in for a not insignificant decline.

 

Yet any writer who suggests his mediocre 2014 season is from throwing to JP Arencibia in Texas (LOL at the definite possibilty) will get a loud "SAVE IT NERDS"

[TRM]

Yet any writer who suggests his mediocre 2014 season is from throwing to JP Arencibia in Texas (LOL at the definite possibilty) will get a loud "SAVE IT NERDS"

 

Well JPA's framing isn't trash so that isn't the best example

[TRM]

Shark > Bailey > Price > Lynn > De La Rosa

 

I wonder who owns Shark in DDL...?

[connorp]

Price's velo drop worries me.

 

I think you saberists get too hung up on velocity. Not trying to say there's not a distinct correlation between velocity drop and performance, I just think you guys work off too broad data to determine what a velocity drop will mean

 

You take guys like Price and tie him in with hundreds of s*** guys that can't compensate when their velo tdrops.

I'm sure if you looked at Top 50 kind of pitchers with excellent secondary stuff..they would decline at a far lesser rate than what the averages are.

[kgm1]

We'd be looking pretty solid 1-5 if we could get Anderson and Samardzija without moving Stroman or Sanchez. That I could fap to.

 

Wow Dinger !! You really are dreaming . To get the Shark they probably want both .

[Dr. Dinger]

If we're talking talent, not cost, it's Price > Bailey > Shark. Any talk of Price's decline is greatly premature. He's not a K/IP guy, he's more of a Sabathia. He was exquisite after recovering from his first half injury.

[Abomination]

I honestly think Price is overrated, by people and his common stats. His SwStr% is actually quite bad. It was BELOW AVERAGE last year.

 

His walk rate also dropped dramatically though. The two are probably related. As for his velocity, it was still higher last year than in 2009. I don't think this is something to be concerned about, and combined with the increase in command is probably intentional.

[Dr. Dinger]

Wow Dinger !! You really are dreaming . To get the Shark they probably want both .

 

Wanting is different from getting. They'd be lucky to get one of them.

[Dr. Dinger]

I wonder who owns Shark in DDL...?

 

The bottom line is, Jose Fernandez is better than all of them.

[GeorgiaPeach]

I would prefer Gose. We need Nolin for when Anderson and Morrow both dislocate their shoulders high-fiving each other.

 

When does Morrow ever show emotion?

[TRM]

If we're talking talent, not cost, it's Price > Bailey > Shark. Any talk of Price's decline is greatly premature. He's not a K/IP guy, he's more of a Sabathia. He was exquisite after recovering from his first half injury.

 

I just thing it's hilarious that No49 went to JFaS for validation, and not only did he disagree with him but he listed my guy of all the guys ahead of Bailey.

 

No49 you know I love you d00d. You're just a lot of fun to needle.

[Chappy]

Wow Dinger !! You really are dreaming . To get the Shark they probably want both .

 

No way that happens.

[Dr. Dinger]

Talent that is not getting swings and misses is very volatile. Give me Samar.

 

Price is more volatile than Samardzija? On what planet? Price has consistently been elite with a SwStk under 9%, it's not the be-all, end-all. He is a ground ball beast that limits home runs and walks and chews up big innings.

[TRM]

Price is more volatile than Samardzija? On what planet? Price has consistently been elite with a SwStk under 9%, it's not the be-all, end-all. He is a ground ball beast that limits home runs and walks and chews up big innings.

 

I was at a game where Bautista hit two against Price, so I have anecdotal evidence against your point and you are wrong.

 

I was also at a game where JPA hit 2 HR's. He's awesome too and releasing him was a massive mistake.

[Chappy]

When does Morrow ever show emotion?

 

Good point, he will probably dislocate it tripping onto Anderson, simultaneously shattering Anderson's foot and all Jays fans hopes in the process.

[Dr. Dinger]

Agreed. Jose Fernandez and Matt Harvey will be the two best pitchers in the league for awhile. We can add in Stras too.

 

Nobody wants to talk about Chris Sale because we're all afraid his arm will fly off into the 1st base dugout, but he has better component stats than Kershaw and he's younger. No respect I tell ya!

[Dr. Dinger]

I was at a game where Bautista hit two against Price, so I have anecdotal evidence against your point and you are wrong.

 

I was also at a game where JPA hit 2 HR's. He's awesome too and releasing him was a massive mistake.

 

I will now acquiesce to your superior argument.

[TRM]

I will now acquiesce to your superior argument.

 

So with a similar logical structure, an argument can be made that will convince you to trade me Fernandez then?

 

I can't wait till you acquiesce to my trade offer!

[Abomination]

Price is more volatile than Samardzija? On what planet? Price has consistently been elite with a SwStk under 9%, it's not the be-all, end-all. He is a ground ball beast that limits home runs and walks and chews up big innings.

 

Price's SwStk% is pretty close to what Halladay's was before he went to the Phillies.

[TRM]

Deck McGuire is probably the next name in this conversation.

 

FTFY.... *tears*