Report: Twins, Rockies, Jays 'could be threats to steal' Saltalamacchia

[vic city]

Would 3 years, $27M do the trick?

 

 

The Boston Red Sox and Jarrod Saltalamacchia have been negotiating, but there are reportedly three teams that could sign the free agent catcher.

 

CBS Sports' Jon Heyman writes that the Minnesota Twins, the Colorado Rockies and "possibly" the Toronto Blue Jays "have been identified as among the teams that could be threats to steal" Saltalamacchia from the Red Sox.

 

A source told Heyman the Texas Rangers appear content with catcher Geovany Soto and are not likely to make a bid for Saltalamacchia.

 

The Red Sox have made the 28-year-old backstop a two-year offer but he remains a free agent.

 

A.J. Pierzynski and Dioner Navarro are the next best available free agent options at catcher at the moment.

 

http://emsite.thescore.com/mlb/news/364701

[GD]

I'd probably pass.

[Sammy225]

Pierzynski>Navarro>Salty

[vic city]

Is he any good defensively? He led the league in passed balls in 2011...he also allowed the most stolen bases last year, while also throwing out the 2nd most runners.

[G-Snarls]

Decent pitch framer.

 

Aparently, JP is too

 

Salty is no upgrade defensively over Arencibia. Both have terrible arms. Not sure about blocking but I'm thinking he might actually be worse.

 

The only area he seems definitely better than JPA is in getting on base.

[TheHurl]

sounds great all he has to do is carry that .370 BABIP again. Shouldn't be a problem

[vic city]

Completely unrelated, but I noticed people use a lot of sabermetrics on this board (which flies completely over my head). What's the best (and easiest) way to learn sabermetrics? It seems daunting...

[KingKat]

Completely unrelated, but I noticed people use a lot of sabermetrics on this board (which flies completely over my head). What's the best (and easiest) way to learn sabermetrics? It seems daunting...

 

You could start by bookmarking the following: http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/glossary/

[vic city]

KK bookmarked...I'm into the wine tonight tho so let's save that for tmrw

[Frenchsoup]

Please no Salty let alone for 3 years at that price.

[GeorgiaPeach]

Would 3 years, $27M do the trick?

 

Truthfully I'd rather JPA back at whatever he was scheduled to get.....2.8m?

[GeorgiaPeach]

Is he any good defensively? He led the league in passed balls in 2011...he also allowed the most stolen bases last year, while also throwing out the 2nd most runners.

 

There was a recent study done on FG that showed the pitcher was more responsible for allowing SB's than the catcher's plus or weak arm.

[GD]

There was a recent study done on FG that showed the pitcher was more responsible for allowing SB's than the catcher's plus or weak arm.

 

I saw these, they were a series of community posts I think. Fangraphs has some great stuff if you dig even a little.

[GeorgiaPeach]

I saw these, they were a series of community posts I think. Fangraphs has some great stuff if you dig even a little.

 

I was hoping the person who did the study had planned on digging a lot deeper than the 50 (I think) sample size he delved into. Interesting study to say the least.

[G-Snarls]

There was a recent study done on FG that showed the pitcher was more responsible for allowing SB's than the catcher's plus or weak arm.

 

Interesting

 

Plus if Salty is at or near the top in numbers of runners both successful AND caught stealing, the Red Sox staff must get run on more than anyone in baseball.

[kcjaysfan]

Interesting

 

Plus if Salty is at or near the top in numbers of runners both successful AND caught stealing, the Red Sox staff must get run on more than anyone in baseball.

 

He had fairly similar numbers in Atlanta and Texas.

 

From 2007-2009 for Atlanta and Texas: 138 SB and 36 CS for a 20.7 CS%. This was 174 attempts in 1551 innings, so 0.112 attempts per inning.

From 2010-2013 for Boston: 258 SB and 80CS for a 23.7 CS%. This was 338 attempts in 2764.2 innings, so 0.122 attempts per inning.

[admin]

I defended this theory for ten years, going back to when Zaun was our catcher. He didn't have the best arm, but he had some of the slowest delivery guys in the league. Can't remember the rotation now, but I think AJ Burnett was one.

[Boxcar]

You could start by bookmarking the following: http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/glossary/

 

I would try here, as well http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/glossary/

[Terminator]

Would 3 years, $27M do the trick?

 

He's got his warts but at his age and at that price I would definitely do that.

[woods of ypres]

With regards to the sabrmetrics, I consider myself pretty knowledgeable about them.

 

But, HR/FB% always confused me. For a pitcher, lower the better, right? And for a hitter the higher the better, right? And is that the same to use IF/FB rate?

 

Thanks.

 

-WOY

[GD]

But, HR/FB% always confused me. For a pitcher, lower the better, right? And for a hitter the higher the better, right? And is that the same to use IF/FB rate?

 

There aren't really "good" and "bad" levels of HR/FB%, it's a sustainability-based statistic that usually regresses to around 10.5%. It's a measure of how many of your fly balls go for homers. As a hitter, if more than 10.5% leave, you're probably getting a bit lucky, and if it's lower, probably a bit unlucky. It's the reverse for pitchers. Josh Johnson gave up something like 18% of his fly balls for homers last year, he was pretty unlucky.

[Angrioter]

With regards to the sabrmetrics, I consider myself pretty knowledgeable about them.

 

But, HR/FB% always confused me. For a pitcher, lower the better, right? And for a hitter the higher the better, right? And is that the same to use IF/FB rate?

 

Thanks.

 

-WOY

 

GB - HR/FB - K

Darvish 41% - 14.4% - 33% (209.2 IP, 26 HR's)

Vs

Griffin 32.1% - 12.5% - 21% (200 IP, 36 HR's) -----> The coliseum helped him

 

HR/FB is almost always directly proportional to the FB rate.

[KingKat]

For a pitcher, lower the better, right? And for a hitter the higher the better, right?

 

Yes that's basicaly true but it also be huge good luck/bad luck red flag. Take Joe Mauer's big power season in 2009 (28 HR). His flyball percentage only saw a slight increase (28,3% to 29.5%) but his homerun to flyball ration went from 6.5% to 20.4%. So yes on the surface that's a good thing. Hitting homeruns is good. On the other hand, as a predictor of future performance it's a huge red flat. There was just no way that Mauer was going to continue to get homeruns on one fifth of his flyball. In 2010, Mauer maitained a 29% fly ball rate but he "only" hit nine homeruns. His HR/FB percentage went back to 6.7% as many who had looked at the advanced numbers predicted it would. To this day, there are still people who wonder where Mauer's power "went". Well... it didn't go anywhere. It was the same the whole time. He just had a disproportionate amount of flyballs go over the fence in that one season.

[o2cui2i]

I'd probably pass.

 

probably?

 

hard, rude, you gotta be shittin me pass....

 

we have a s***** catcher who cant catch already or hit already.

[jaysblue]

But according to FanGraphs, Salty was worth 3.6 WAR last season. And Steamer projects 3 WAR in 2014. Steamer can't be wrong!

[jaysblue]

Please no Salty let alone for 3 years at that price.

 

But Salty is projected to post a 3 WAR next season by Steamer…And people wanted an older catcher who's 35 in Carlos Ruiz at 3 years/$26 million which many posters on here said was a bargain. And Ruiz is projected for a similar WAR as Salty next season as well. Is Steamer all of a sudden wrong?

[Angrioter]

But according to FanGraphs, Salty was worth 3.6 WAR last season. And Steamer projects 3 WAR in 2014. Steamer can't be wrong!

 

Those are projections, therefore, they aren't automatic.

My penis is designed to be useful until 65 years old. I'm 30, and sometimes my dick fail at crucial moments in the troglodyte 3rd world sex.

Edited November 27, 2013 by Angrioter

[jaysblue]

Those are projections,* therefore, they aren't automatic.

My penis is designed to be useful until 65 years old. I'm 30, and sometimes my dick fail at crucial moments in the troglodyte 3rd world sex.

 

I know. I'm being sarcastic lol. Many posters on here throw around projections from Steamer as they are the be-all and end-all.

[jaysblue]

Can I drop a big fat steamer on that prediction?

 

The one thing Salty has going for him is his age, and untapped potential. I don't think he'll hit above .270 again that's for sure. He definitely is capable of hitting between 25-30 HR's. Defensively, I'm not a huge fan as many posters on here are. Is he my first choice? Not at all, though I wouldn't be disappointed if the Jays signed him. I'd still prefer Hanigan at his cost and use that other money to improve the club in other areas.

[Angrioter]

I know. I'm being sarcastic lol. Many posters on here throw around projections from Steamer as they are the be-all and end-all.

 

I love the projections but.............projections are made ​​on computers. Men lacking talent like Goins, Salty and JPA are sometimes benefited by computers.