Changes coming bids for Japan players (Tanaka)

[ElNik2013]

Two different people, and you forgot about the main ingredient......Contract, if we offer the most during negotiations he might bite as well. Yet, I digress........

 

 

 

Where's all this money gonna come from? AA has blown whatever payroll flexibility the team had. I'd fire him if I were Rogers, right after Beeston.

[G-Snarls]

Where's all this money gonna come from? AA has blown whatever payroll flexibility the team had. I'd fire him if I were Rogers, right after Beeston.

 

He has one more season before you do that.

[G-Snarls]

Baseball Hot Corner (?) on all the reasons the Blue Jays should sign this guy:

 

http://baseballhotcorner.com/toronto-blue-jays-need-sign-masahiro-tanaka/

[ElNik2013]

You know the payroll?

 

 

No, I don't. But given how he misspent a top 5-10 farm and 50M payroll increase last year, I wouldn't expect a half-smart person to give this guy more than 145-150M for 2014

[o2cui2i]

Baseball Hot Corner (?) on all the reasons the Blue Jays should sign this guy:

 

http://baseballhotcorner.com/toronto-blue-jays-need-sign-masahiro-tanaka/

 

repost that to AA a million times per day....

[ElNik2013]

Now, as much as I have complained today about AA's last 18 months, if he signed Tanaka, I wouldn't be upset. I would certainly prefer signing Tanaka to trading Sanchez and Stroman for the Cubs' pitcher or giving some of the FA pitchers out there the kinds of deals that it will take to get them to sign.

[kgm1]

MLB and Japanese baseball still haven,t worked out a new agreement .. Their new union is also involved in the talks. Some speculation that a deal won,t get done soon and Tanaka won,t get posted this year . Now that would really put a crimp in the Yankee,s plans

[G-Snarls]

New stuff today:

 

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MLB, NPB Re-Opening Posting System Talks

 

By Steve Adams [November 19 at 12:20am CST]

 

NOVEMBER 19: Major League Baseball and Nippon Professional Baseball will restart talks about a new posting system as early as today, according to a Japan Times report. NPB negotiators hope to reach a new agreement "somewhat resembling the existing one."

[G-Snarls]

Japan Times:

 

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NPB, MLB to reopen posting system talks

KYODO

NOV 18, 2013

 

Nippon Professional Baseball will reopen talks with Major League Baseball over a new bidding system for Japan by no later than Tuesday after MLB pulled its proposal last week.

 

Representatives from the 12 teams in Japan met on Monday, when they were told by NPB negotiators that they will strive to maintain a system somewhat resembling the existing one.

 

“We will negotiate to try to keep what we have,” NPB’s general secretary Atsushi Ihara said. “We have to go over a timetable with them.”

 

On Thursday, MLB said it withdrew the proposal that was on the table, arguing the Japanese took too long to act on striking a new agreement.

 

Under the previous deal which has expired, Japanese players wanting to play in the majors who are not free agents had to be put up for a blind bid to MLB’s 30 teams.

 

The highest bidder had an exclusive negotiating window of 30 days to sign the player. If no agreement could be struck, the player was sent back to his Japanese team.

 

MLB’s new proposal had set the winning fee at a figure in between the two highest bids, and if a club failed to sign the player, it would be subject to a fine.

 

The Japanese players association relented over the proposal after initially balking at the idea, saying it offered little for NPB, its club or the players.

[Angrioter]

New stuff today:

 

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MLB, NPB Re-Opening Posting System Talks

 

By Steve Adams [November 19 at 12:20am CST]

 

NOVEMBER 19: Major League Baseball and Nippon Professional Baseball will restart talks about a new posting system as early as today, according to a Japan Times report. NPB negotiators hope to reach a new agreement "somewhat resembling the existing one."

 

This ------>

[John_Havok]

This ------>

 

That was awesome. Here's some pretty good racial commentary with a baseball flavour:

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XEc-I-Zw_EA

[G-Snarls]

Tanaka makes soooo much sense for this team/owner. Too much sense for it to actually happen.

[KingKat]

Tanaka makes soooo much sense for this team/owner. Too much sense for it to actually happen.

 

I don't see why. The total cost is going to exceed Darvish for an inferior player. He really only makes sense for the Yankees.

[G-Snarls]

I don't see why. The total cost is going to exceed Darvish for an inferior player. He really only makes sense for the Yankees.

 

I just mean in general to buy a 25 year old #2 starter for a large up front cash cost, and a reasonable 5 year contract. It makes so much sense for an owner with buckets of cash, a GM desperate to improve the team and has a weak starting rotation as is, and can't afford to trade their few remaining good prospects.

 

If you could have him for exactly the Dravish bid and contract I'd want them to do it, even if he might not be quite as good.

[KingKat]

It makes so much sense for an owner with buckets of cash

 

The Jays don't have an owner, they have corporate ownership and that makes all the difference.

[G-Snarls]

If the posting fee doesn't effect baseball ops, it makes sense.

 

Exactly

 

And 55M is a rounding error for a 23 Billion dollar company

[G-Snarls]

The Jays don't have an owner, they have corporate ownership and that makes all the difference.

 

Well that's a good point. The Steinbrenners and Illich's of the world may put more pride in to their teams than a giant mega corp.

[Abomination]

One hell of a change to the proposed posting system!

 

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2013/12/latest-on-the-posting-system-negotiations.html

 

It would include a maximum bid, and priority if multiple teams reach the max is inverse of record!

[Frenchsoup]

One hell of a change to the proposed posting system!

 

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2013/12/latest-on-the-posting-system-negotiations.html

 

It would include a maximum bid, and priority if multiple teams reach the max is inverse of record!

 

 

That would probably put the cubs firmly in the drivers seat if that's how it's going down.

[admin]

Pretty f***ing dumb. Pretty much handing the free agent to the worst place team if they want him.

[admin]

When I first starting reading that's what I thought. But if I'm understanding it correctly every team worse than us can take him over us. I dont' think that really increases our odds.

[Abomination]

Wouldn't the bids still be blind, seems better than it was?

 

I believe so, and I assume the max bid would be high enough that only the elite players would ever reach it.

[KingKat]

I hadn't realized until now that the teams are negotiating amongst themselves in addition to negotiating with Japanese Baseball. No wonder this is such a clusterf***. This latest proposal seems destined to fail and the whole process is going nowhere.

[G-Snarls]

One hell of a change to the proposed posting system!

 

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2013/12/latest-on-the-posting-system-negotiations.html

 

It would include a maximum bid, and priority if multiple teams reach the max is inverse of record!

 

Wow, I can't believe this is the agreement

 

Makes no sense

 

Where's the incentive for the player now?? Your team gets almost as much cash as you do and you probably go to a crappy team (a smart rebuilding one if you're lucky but still).

 

This is ridiculous

[G-Snarls]

Somewhere, in a richly appointed cigar lounge, Brian Cashman and Hank Steinbrenner are fuming mad

[G-Snarls]

I hadn't realized until now that the teams are negotiating amongst themselves in addition to negotiating with Japanese Baseball. No wonder this is such a clusterf***. This latest proposal seems destined to fail and the whole process is going nowhere.

 

I hope Tanaka says "F this" and stays in Japan

 

Idiots

[Atothe]

I guess all japeanese players will be signed By the mariners now

 

lol

[G-Snarls]

I guess all japeanese players will be signed By the mariners now

 

I can see it now. 2016. Ichiro Suzuki is now special assistant to the GM for the Mariners. A giant sign of him is placed in every major city of Japan, with a caption ominously reading "All your pitcher are belong to us"

[BabbaGanoush]

Wow, so if the max bid limit is something stupidly low like 30 million, and every team makes a bid at $30 million, then the rights would go to the team with the worst record?

 

f***ing awful if that happens.

[aselvana]

*Toronto Blue Jays 74 88 0.457

*New York Mets 74 88 0.457

*Milwaukee Brewers 74 88 0.457

*Colorado Rockies 74 88 0.457

*Philadelphia Phillies 73 89 0.451

*Seattle Mariners 71 91 0.438

*Minnesota Twins 66 96 0.407

*Chicago Cubs 66 96 0.407

*Chicago White Sox 63 99 0.389

*Miami Marlins 62 100 0.383

*Houston Astros 51 111 0.315

 

just for reference, i guess mariners will win it