Sporting News AL manager of the year is...

[baseballsss]

this thread sounds like a bunch of whiney jealous people in it. yes this is a kick in the face to see farrell get this award after he left the jays and we had a sh*t season. But wasn't everyone saying how shiity the sox were before the season and their gunna finish dead last. How you guys are going on saying blah blah blah a manager just sits there and doesn't do s*** but yet francona and maddon should get the award? sounds quite dumb to me.

[connorp]

The FO getting rid of Beckett and Crawford kind of helped with this too

 

No doubt the org set the tone and then hand picked the guy they thought would fit. I mean i think Farrell deserves the award..but yeah, the players and org are what drives the franchise.

[John_Havok]

Cito must've been great...the man won 2 World Series rings.

 

I mean what group of Hall of Famers, Stars and solid players could win a World Series without someone Sharpie'ing a lineup card?

 

Congrats to Farrell for being the "AL Manager of the team who did way better than anyone thought they would since they got very break to roll their way this year" award.

 

Maddon should win this every year in the AL, it's too bad now he's expected to do well with crap players so it's not a surprise, hence, no managerial award.

[John_Havok]

this thread sounds like a bunch of whiney jealous people in it. yes this is a kick in the face to see farrell get this award after he left the jays and we had a sh*t season. But wasn't everyone saying how shiity the sox were before the season and their gunna finish dead last. How you guys are going on saying blah blah blah a manager just sits there and doesn't do s*** but yet francona and maddon should get the award? sounds quite dumb to me.

 

Meh, it's like congratulating Jeter for winning Gold Gloves. It's so blatantly stupid it's barely worth mentioning.

[connorp]

Meh, it's like congratulating Jeter for winning Gold Gloves. It's so blatantly

stupid it's barely worth mentioning.

 

Totally different because someone else deserved that GG much more than JM deserves MOY.

[John_Havok]

Point more so being that Manager of the Year is really a pointless award since the manager makes very little difference in the grand scheme of how well a team plays.

 

It really is just a "holy s*** your team did way better than anyone thought so all credit to you" award. Then the same team wins more games the next year with a very similar roster, but the manager gets no award, because it wasn't a surprise anymore.

[theblujay]

But it was okay to ridicule Sox fans when they collapsed and had their hilarious season under Valentine.

 

My what a great baseball fan you are.

 

Are you a Red Sox fan? Cuz if you're a Jays fan there's no way you aren't upset about this season.

[connorp]

Point more so being that Manager of the

Year is really a pointless award since the manager makes very little difference in the grand scheme of how well a team plays.

 

It really is just a "holy s*** your team did way better than anyone thought so all credit to you" award. Then the same team wins more games the next year with a very similar roster, but the manager gets no award, because it wasn't a surprise anymore.

 

Yeah no doubt true

[Boxcar]

What exactly happened over the last year? Because he was terrible here

 

Did you watch the game the other day? He called a bunt in like...the 4th or 5th inning, with a guy who just posted a 6 WAR season. It ended in the way all bad decisions should end, with the Red Sox scoring no runs after getting the first two men on.

 

Farrell is still a poor decision maker, but it doesn't matter when you have a team that performs. This is just another example of managers being grossly overrated, and there are a number of ******** narratives to choose from. The self-pitying Leaf fan imbecile will take the approach that we didn't give him enough time to blossom into a great manager. Or somehow he "inspired" all the Red Sox players to play to their full potential.

 

It's just sickening. I'm sure you are one of those dipshits who regreats letting him go to Boston in the first place.

 

There is some good that could come of this, though. Rogers suits don't know f*** all about baseball, so maybe this further tarnishes AA in their eyes.

[Boxcar]

Is that how it works? The hat they gave Farrell last year must have had too many slips of paper that said "Cordero" in it.

 

That was a real zinger!

[Boxcar]

So, other managers vote on this? I didn't know that.

 

Do most other managers dislike Maddon and Francona? Or do they just think Farrell is really good?

 

If Leyland had announced his retirement from managing sooner, would he have gotten more votes?

 

Whatever. 2014 please.

 

Leyland is a senile old f***. What did he do that's so special? He had one of the best rotations of all time this year, the best hitter in baseball and still only won his division by a game. Not sure what's so special about him, seems like a bit of a dumbass.

[GD]

The self-pitying Leaf fan imbecile

 

Hey, say what you want about us, but to be fair, we really hate our coaches.

[Chappy]

It was the most obvious choice, but really who gives a s***. It's not like this team would have been much better with him here.

[G-Snarls]

It was the most obvious choice, but really who gives a s***. It's not like this team would have been much better with him here.

 

Amen to that

[jays_fever]

Hey, say what you want about us, but to be fair, we really hate our coaches.

 

Well we've had some serious braindead ones all across the board for a long time. You're probably to young to have even noticed/cared about the raptors when Sam Mitchell was coaching back then..but he would almost blame every loss on his team not making shots..as if they had just got unlucky for the entire game..multiple times a week..every month

[Olerud363]

What happened? The Red Sox got better performances than anyone could have possibly expected from Napoli, Victorino, Uehra, Lester and Bucholtz. Farrell just sort of happened to be there.

 

Lester had his 5th best season. Lester has a career era of 3.75, 117+, was 3.74 110+ or last year. Napoli is a .859 ops guy who had .842 last year. Victorina arguably had his best year... but comparable to other years. Buckholtz was brilliant but missed half the season. Uehra was better then anybody possibly could of expected... but relievers aren't worth that much. He went from like a 2 WAR reliever to 3.5.

 

What happened was John Farrell, is a good, baseball person, smart guy, player development guy, on base percentage guy.

 

He did not agree on anything with Paul Beeston, so he left to be with like minded people. He was part of a great management team, that did everything right, had a deep belief in on base percentage, aqcuired veteran pieces without giving up youngsters.... just great smart people.

 

Well deserved. Get out of your little Toronto bubble.

[GD]

Well we've had some serious braindead ones all across the board for a long time. You're probably to young to have even noticed/cared about the raptors when Sam Mitchell was coaching back then..but he would almost blame every loss on his team not making shots..as if they had just got unlucky for the entire game..multiple times a week..every month

 

No, no no, I was very much around for the Sam Mitchell years, man I hated him. He's always good for a stellar interview though.

[GD]

What happened was John Farrell, is a good, baseball person, smart guy, player development guy, on base percentage guy.

 

10 WARZ MANAJER GUISE

 

Holy f***.

[Jays]

The manager of a professional mlb team. Sits on his ass whole game..makes grueling faces on occasion. In Farrel's case, picks names out of a hat when he goes to the pen..gets all the credit

 

You can be really bad at being a MLB manager and get praised as a genius and savior. Or you can be good at being a MLB manager and get called a loser by 95% of the fanbase and then get fired.

[G-Snarls]

What happened was John Farrell, is a good, baseball person, smart guy, player development guy, on base percentage guy.

 

Well deserved. Get out of your little Toronto bubble.

 

Oh, please...

 

The front office deserve 10 times more credit than John Farrell. So does good luck wth key guys like Ells, Pedroia and Pedroia staying healthy. It was just one of those years where everything just went right.

 

Same as AA is more to blame than John Gibbons for this disastrous Jays season

 

Terry Francona could have gotten this Red Sox team to the WS too.

[Olerud363]

In 2012 the Red Sox had a fluke down year, and rebounded. They are what they are.... a 90-99 win team, that gets on base, scores runs, That's basically what they've been since 2003... with the exception of 2012. Farrell didn't make them what they are. John Henry did.

 

Farrell isn't a genius... in a baseball organization to be successful you need to be lucky and NOT stupid. You need to believe in on base percentage, farm system, aging curves, park factors, strike out rate (for pitchers), and believe in defense but recognize it is hard to scout and measure. If you believe in all that.... maybe you can get a further advantage by believing in super advanced metrics... or maybe not (because the advantage is too small to be significant above noise).

 

Where you can get hurt is by believing in stupid things like "pull dat ball", riiibeess!!, veteran presence. Prospects never develop. blah, blah, blah.

 

Farrell is NOT stupid, while some people in the Blue Jays chain of management are stupid. Farrell is savy and left to be part of an organization where no one believed in stupid s***, and just wanted to win. That's his accomplishment, he left to avoid stupidity and work with competent people, and he gets to be in the World Series and win awards because of it.

 

People have gained more for doing less.. just the way the world works. Work with smart people... it helps.

[GD]

What happened was John Farrell, is a good, baseball person, smart guy, player development guy, on base percentage guy.

 

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In 2012 the Red Sox had a fluke down year, and rebounded. They are what they are.... a 90-99 win team, that gets on base, scores runs, That's basically what they've been since 2003... with the exception of 2012. Farrell didn't make them what they are. John Henry did.

 

Farrell isn't a genius...

 

You really sway with the breeze, eh?

[Olerud363]

Oh, please...

 

The front office deserve 10 times more credit than John Farrell. So does good luck wth key guys like Ells, Pedroia and Pedroia staying healthy. It was just one of those years where everything just went right.

 

Same as AA is more to blame than John Gibbons for this disastrous Jays season

 

Terry Francona could have gotten this Red Sox team to the WS too.

 

I agree Francona would of gotten them there... John Gibbons too. I like John Gibbons and would of been happy to see it.

 

But I don't think everything went right.... Ellsbury lost 20 homeruns from his mvp type season, Ped lost some power, Buckholz missed half the season, Only one guy played more than 140 games (but a bunch were close). Everybody was beat up a bit.

 

Long term red sox are about a 92 win organization, Jays 80.... They were each 5 off that in 2013... but that's ordinary.

 

Did Farrell make the red sox a 92 win organization?? No. But the fact that Farrell wanted the red sox, and the red sox wanted Farrell, says something about each of them. Competent people.

[G-Snarls]

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You really sway with the breeze, eh?

 

LOL

 

I guess I wasted my time responding. Olerud363 made exactly my point in previous posts I guess. At least I agree with him half the time!

[GeorgiaPeach]

Are you a Red Sox fan? Cuz if you're a Jays fan there's no way you aren't upset about this season.

 

You musn't have been on the old Forum for long otherwise you wouldn't have made such a stupid comment.

[Olerud363]

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You really sway with the breeze, eh?

 

Yes. Because good=genius...

 

Farrell - believes in on base percentage?? Yes or no??

Farrell - good player development guy?? Yes or no??

Farrell - genius?? Yes or no??

 

My view is yes, yes, no. I've been consistent on that since April. Every step of the way people said that the red sox were going to implode, that Farrell was garbage, hasn't happened.

 

You believe in your advanced metrics, and over analyzing crap. I believe in good people. Not geniuses, but not idiots like Beeston. I believe in on base percentage, player development, getting veterans WITHOUT giving up the farm. I respect baseball organizations that are aligned with my beliefs.

[eastcoastjaysfan]

Yes. Because good=genius...

 

Farrell - believes in on base percentage?? Yes or no??

Farrell - good player development guy?? Yes or no??

Farrell - genius?? Yes or no??

 

My view is yes, yes, no. I've been consistent on that since April. Every step of the way people said that the red sox were going to implode, that Farrell was garbage, hasn't happened.

 

You believe in your advanced metrics, and over analyzing crap. I believe in good people. Not geniuses, but not idiots like Beeston. I believe in on base percentage, player development, getting veterans WITHOUT giving up the farm. I respect baseball organizations that are aligned with my beliefs.

 

Your posts are absolutely unbearable to read.

[G-Snarls]

I believe in good people... I believe in on base percentage, player development, getting veterans WITHOUT giving up the farm.

 

This is the smartest thing you've said today

[G-Snarls]

Farrell - believes in on base percentage?? Yes or no??

Farrell - good player development guy?? Yes or no??

 

This is the dumbest

 

Farrell was a pitching coach. Then he left for 2 years. He's been back for less than 12 months.

 

Do you honestly think he's even the least bit responsible for the "development" and on base focus/plate discipline/etc of the Red Sox offense in that time frame? No. That was already there.

 

He inherited a very good team. The FO bought some good veteran free agents who outperformed expectations. He didn't screw up. They had way fewer injuries than the Jays or Yankees. They were able to compensate for the fact that their one young in-house hitting prospect had a crappy year. They pitched well. David Ortiz continues to defy the laws of aging. They won a lot of games.

 

And despite being obviously jealous I'm actually happy for him. It's a good story for 2013, whether we sour Blue Jays fans like it or not.

[Olerud363]

LOL

 

I guess I wasted my time responding. Olerud363 made exactly my point in previous posts I guess. At least I agree with him half the time!

 

People have a lot of trouble dealing with grey and fuzziness. The problem with anything is that to get in a position of power you need to be smiley, simple, clear, concise and full of ********. That's how you get promoted in an organization. (see Anthopoulus, Alex, Beeston, Paul).

 

If you have views that are grey, or fuzzy people want to pigeon hole you into a black and white view. It's hilarious the reaction I get to the Farrell stuff.

 

I think the Farrell situation says a lot about the Jays, and the Sox, and the people who run each organization. No where have I ever said that Farrell is worth 20 wins.

 

But every time it comes up I get "20 win manager bro!!!"