Post what you think the budget will be

[kgm1]

They'll have more for Tanaka.

 

AA did not go to scout him , That worries me . I think they are out on him.

[connorp]

Regardless, Melky's a good contact hitter with a s*** load more power than he showed last season, the guy played the entire season hurt after April, you're obviously getting a much better player, regardless what you believe. Both offensively and defensively.

 

Actually I think Melky will bounce back next year. I was just scoffing at the fact someone was suggesting a passed drug test meant anything.

[Abomination]

One thing that could be worth noting is that the Canadian dollar is expected to fall into the .90 range vs the USD next year. Since we pay salary in USD and take in CAD, that difference might also affect the payroll number a little.

[kcjaysfan]

I absolutely believe he was on the roids with the Royals

 

Ok, so let's say, hypothetically, he comes back next year, and puts up numbers similar to 2011. Do you then change your mind, and believe he wasn't taking PEDs in 2011, or do you assume he's gotten back on them?

 

Melky aside, I think it's established fact that "passed drug tests" means nada

 

Since he failed the test last year while playing for the Giants, it would suggest a number of possibilities:

 

He was actually clean while in 2011, and decided he wanted that little extra and started taking something in 2012.

 

He was taking a different substance in 2011 that wasn't detected, and changed to something new in 2012 and was caught.

 

He was taking the same thing in 2011 as he was in 2012, but just lucked out and wasn't caught.

 

Without knowing the MLB's testing schedule and how long the tracers for detectable substances last in the body, it's impossible for us to know whether any player is taking PEDs.

[Angrioter]

Jays - Brett Anderson 999999999 version

http://www.bluebirdbanter.com/2013/10/17/4850130/blue-jays-pursuing-brett-anderson

[Angrioter]

Angelo you getting mad brah????

 

I'm sick of the Brett Anderson rumor.

[kgm1]

Maybe we can space out the injuries and have Morrow pitch 15 games and Anderson pitch 15 games . Lets face it they would both get about 5 starts into the season and both go on the DL for the year . Right now they both look like Rich Hardin revisited .

[kgm1]

Budget is the key . Sitting at around 134 mil with 5 huge holes to fill . I believe the key to the season is Morrow . IF the budget doesn't go up and Morrow is still hurt then I would trade a key piece or two and gut as the season went on looking for high end close to the majors prospects .

 

Trading a Rasmus / Bautista or both plus a Santos/Janssen or both for pkg,s of young players freeing up a lot of money then adding a couple of mid tier FA,s( IF we can sign them in the AL East and Canada ) wouldn't leave us worse as long as we are healthy. Then hope you get lucky like Boston .

[BarrysSyringe]

Budget is the key . Sitting at around 134 mil with 5 huge holes to fill . I believe the key to the season is Morrow . IF the budget doesn't go up and Morrow is still hurt then I would trade a key piece or two and gut as the season went on looking for high end close to the majors prospects .

 

Trading a Rasmus / Bautista or both plus a Santos/Janssen or both for pkg,s of young players freeing up a lot of money then adding a couple of mid tier FA,s( IF we can sign them in the AL East and Canada ) wouldn't leave us worse as long as we are healthy. Then hope you get lucky like Boston .

Can you give an example? because unless your getting a stud OF back and acquiring two SP i cant see us better off especially when we are losing our set up man and closer

[BarrysSyringe]

I wouldn't be trading those guys for plugs, that's for damn sure!!

 

Just interested to see what he thinks it would take for us to pull the trigger on dealing those guys and making us a better team immediatly

[GD]

If rumours are to be believed, the A's turned down Wil Myers for Brett Anderson last offseason.

 

That's brutal.

[SAAviour]

This isn't worth much but nick cafardo said this in his Sunday column:

 

6. Signs point to the Blue Jays spending to acquire another big bat, two starting pitchers, and a bullpen piece. And maybe I’ll pick them again.

 

Not a reliable source especially when he says a bullpen piece, then again AA loves him a good bullpen arm.

[kgm1]

I wouldn't be trading those guys for plugs, that's for damn sure!!

 

Never said plugs . Trade them for young MLB ready or close to ready talent in the rebuild mode and then sign plugs . Would we be a worse than a last Place team .What I meant was we would lose more games if Lawrie and Reyes and young pitchers stay healthy .

 

I really don't think this will happen but IF , IF AA has NO more money and MORROW is still hurt what else would you do . Trade some high salary guys for young talent and fill holes with plugs . Catch some luck while still rebuilding

[kgm1]

You can't see that as viable, why?

 

Jay , Do you think we should stay the course IF AA has NO MORE money and Morrow is Hurt ??? I think it would be rebuild time but Rogers won't let that happen so what do you do . Trade some salary away for Good young talent . Not a total rebuild but a start then fill the holes . Would we lose more games than this year ? Not likely and will have rebuilt our system .

 

I do not want to trade the rest of our talent in the minors . I feel Morrow is key to the season . ( and of course budget ) IF those aren't there what would you guys do ?

[kgm1]

This isn't worth much but nick cafardo said this in his Sunday column:

 

6. Signs point to the Blue Jays spending to acquire another big bat, two starting pitchers, and a bullpen piece. And maybe I’ll pick them again.

 

Not a reliable source especially when he says a bullpen piece, then again AA loves him a good bullpen arm.

 

When He said bull pen piece He lost all Credibility .

[Chappy]

When He said bull pen piece He lost all Credibility .

 

Not really, we're talking about AA. He probably wants to find a guy to replace Oliver and feels the 10 other viable options we already have is not sufficient.

[kgm1]

LOL VIK ,

I mean , look at how little a depth we have in the BP , Not many options ONLY!

 

Janssen, Santos , Delabar , McGowan , Cecil , Perez , Loup, Wagner ,Jefferess , Lincoln ,Jenkins ,Redmond , Rogers , Romero, Storey , Weber , and Careno . Plus Drabek , and Stroman who may wind up in the Bull Pen .

 

Only 19 options and that just may not be enough depth for AA

[Angrioter]

[BarrysSyringe]

You can't see that as viable, why?

 

Because if bautista is getting traded, i doubt its going to be for a young stud that can contribute what bautista does right off the bat. Rasmus can be used to aquire a good sp but when your losing a bat like bautista its gonna hurt. And losing a consistent cl like janssen and an arm like santos can create big holes in the bullpen

[BarrysSyringe]

Because if bautista is getting traded, i doubt its going to be for a young stud that can contribute what bautista does right off the bat. Rasmus can be used to aquire a good sp but when your losing a bat like bautista its gonna hurt. And losing a consistent cl like janssen and an arm like santos can create big holes in the bullpen

And i know we have lots of arms in the bullpen that can fill in for them but you know what your getting from janssen. Not a fan of having unproven guys trying to shut games down for us

[GeorgiaPeach]

LOL VIK ,

I mean , look at how little a depth we have in the BP , Not many options ONLY!

 

Janssen, Santos , Delabar , McGowan , Cecil , Perez , Loup, Wagner ,Jefferess , Lincoln ,Jenkins ,Redmond , Rogers , Romero, Storey , Weber , and Careno . Plus Drabek , and Stroman who may wind up in the Bull Pen .

 

Only 19 options and that just may not be enough depth for AA

 

You forgot Stilson, who they converted back to a reliever last year. Here's the write up on him pre-draft.

 

Comments: Thought of mostly as a great bullpen arm heading into this year, Stilson's work as the ace of Texas A&M's rotation initially provided teams interested in Drafting him with some options. Stilson intrigued with two has two plus pitches in his fastball and changeup. In relief, he'd been able to crank it up to 96-98 mph, even touching 99 mph. He was learning to pace himself as a starter, throwing his heater 90-95 mph and sitting comfortably at 91-92 mph. His changeup is plus plus, with late action to it (sink and run). He'll throw it at any point in the count and it's his go-to pitch. Those two pitches alone could make him a future closer. He's got an average curve and slider, serviceable breaking stuff that complements the other two pitches well. His command is a tick below average, but it's not a problem and he's got above-average control. The thought was that the team taking the 20-year-old could send him out as a starter, knowing that shortening him up to a setup or closing role was always an option. But any plan for taking him early in the Draft ended when it was announced he needed surgery to repair a torn labrum.

[GeorgiaPeach]

Because if bautista is getting traded, i doubt its going to be for a young stud that can contribute what bautista does right off the bat. Rasmus can be used to aquire a good sp but when your losing a bat like bautista its gonna hurt. And losing a consistent cl like janssen and an arm like santos can create big holes in the bullpen

 

I'd rather it hurt for a short time and be good for a longer time.

[BarrysSyringe]

I'd rather it hurt for a short time and be good for a longer time.

 

Exactly, im all for trading bautista for the best you can get right now i was just saying that it wouldnt help us immediately.

[Chappy]

I bet AA is still looking to add to the pen. I certainly hope he moves Janssen though, could be a savvy move to save payroll and add another future asset.

[The_DH]

Given that Oliver is retiring, it wouldn't surprise me that he wants a bullpen piece.

[GeorgiaPeach]

Janssen is an obvious move, though, knowing AA, he will trade a prospect for an aging lefty bullpen arm to replace Oliver.

 

Yep. It's like OMGosh, we lost a 43 year old lefty 'pen arm, and Alex pulls out his Grocery List and adds 43 year old lefty 'pen arm to the equation.

 

If Craig f***ing Kimbrel is available for nothing you don't run to Paul "I need to blow my brains out" Beeston and ask for permission to sign a 43 year old southpaw from Texas who'll probably threaten retirement instead.

[GeorgiaPeach]

I bet AA is still looking to add to the pen. I certainly hope he moves Janssen though, could be a savvy move to save payroll and add another future asset.

 

Its a move that doesn't fit in with this 3 day window the FO has created for the Jays to contend. Plus most fans including hardcores f***ing love Casey Janssen.

[kgm1]

We certainly have to many, it's time to trade Janssen and Delabar for an infinite gain.

 

I was actually putting together a pkg of either Janssen or Santos with a Cecil or Perez because It would be more valuable but A Janssen / Delabar pkg would be even better as I would love to keep the lefties .

[kgm1]

Because if bautista is getting traded, i doubt its going to be for a young stud that can contribute what bautista does right off the bat. Rasmus can be used to aquire a good sp but when your losing a bat like bautista its gonna hurt. And losing a consistent cl like janssen and an arm like santos can create big holes in the bullpen

 

If you don't have money to add and you don't have Morrow what the f*** would you do . To add you have to subtract salary . Surely you don't want to gut what is left on the farm . Lets face it a GM that had a 5 year contract right now would gut this team or maybe wait till july and gut it

[Cooler Heads Prevail]

If you don't have money to add and you don't have Morrow what the f*** would you do . To add you have to subtract salary . Surely you don't want to gut what is left on the farm . Lets face it a GM that had a 5 year contract right now would gut this team or maybe wait till july and gut it

 

Again, why on earth would you post the Jays of all teams "don't have the money to add". Come on now get your head screwed on straight. The chances the Jays get "gutted" is ZERO. To illustrate, tell me the last year that the Yankees or the Red Sox got "gutted". Do you really think Boston is a big market and Toronto ( and in some ways Canada ) isn't ?

 

Tired of these lame ideas about the Jays payroll.