Mottola and Murphy Leave Coaching Staff

[The_DH]

Toronto is just not a true baseball city, it's all about the Leafs here...unfortunately. If the Leaf fans supported the Jays we'd rival the Yankees

[GD]

Toronto is just not a true baseball city, it's all about the Leafs here...unfortunately. If the Leaf fans supported the Jays we'd rival the Yankees

 

ahem I don't believe I'm at fault here

 

Although the LEAFS ARE PLAYING RADIOACTIVE DURING A BREAK EW EW

[Jimcanuck]

CM too good not to have a new hitting coach job within a few months. Jays lose, some other team wins... just like the last several months

[John_Havok]

I really don't get the Mottola firing. He made strides with Rasmus, Lawrie, Gose, Lind... Now the coaches are pretty much the Managers decision on who they want so I can't put this all on AA, I just wonder who Gibbons has in mind to replace him?

[Angrioter]

I really don't get the Mottola firing. He made strides with Rasmus, Lawrie, Gose, Lind... Now the coaches are pretty much the Managers decision on who they want so I can't put this all on AA, I just wonder who Gibbons has in mind to replace him?

 

It's a f***ing epidemic.

"Angels:: "Club has announced that bench coach Rob Picciolo & hitting coach Jim Eppard will not be retained for the 2014 season."

[G-Snarls]

It's a f***ing epidemic.

"Angels:: "Club has announced that bench coach Rob Picciolo & hitting coach Jim Eppard will not be retained for the 2014 season."

 

That "other" grossly under performing team

 

So both have chosen their scapegoats

[The_DH]

How can you blame a bench coach?

[GD]

How can you blame a bench coach?

 

Neez moar vetrin presents.

[Convo]

This is all pretty moronic IMO. Jays and Angels were 9th and 7th BEST in runs scored and 4th and 7th WORST in runs allowed, respectively. It's no wonder these two organizations are in the shitter. They have no idea what they are doing. It's a complete gong-show.

[Candy Maldonado]

 

.......and we're idiots

 

Does this mean since the assistant GM left, AA now gets fired?

[Convo]

It's official: AA is a complete moron.

[John_Havok]

Here's the quote from AA from that radio interview:

 

“Once Gibby and I talked about it, we just said, ‘You know what, we viewed them as a tandem,” Anthopoulos said of Mottola and Murphy. “This a chance maybe to change it up and go in some other direction. Gibby has some guys that he’s worked with in the past that he has good, strong relationships with.”

 

Full story:

 

http://sports.nationalpost.com/2013/10/08/toronto-blue-jays-decision-to-fire-chad-mottola-caught-him-off-guard/

[Convo]

Here's the quote from AA from that radio interview:

 

“Once Gibby and I talked about it, we just said, ‘You know what, we viewed them as a tandem,” Anthopoulos said of Mottola and Murphy. “This a chance maybe to change it up and go in some other direction. Gibby has some guys that he’s worked with in the past that he has good, strong relationships with.”

 

Full story:

 

http://sports.nationalpost.com/2013/10/08/toronto-blue-jays-decision-to-fire-chad-mottola-caught-him-off-guard/

 

Honestly this is some of the dumbest s*** I've ever read in my life. And what does "Gibby having a good relationship with them" have to do with them being a better hitting coach?

[Abomination]

Here's the quote from AA from that radio interview:

 

“Once Gibby and I talked about it, we just said, ‘You know what, we viewed them as a tandem,” Anthopoulos said of Mottola and Murphy. “This a chance maybe to change it up and go in some other direction. Gibby has some guys that he’s worked with in the past that he has good, strong relationships with.”

 

Full story:

 

http://sports.nationalpost.com/2013/10/08/toronto-blue-jays-decision-to-fire-chad-mottola-caught-him-off-guard/

 

Sportsnet has a video of it up. Actually well worth listening to imo. There were some very interesting tidbits I don't recall hearing from AA before.

 

http://www.sportsnet.ca/baseball/mlb/pts-anthopoulos-talks-coaching-changes/

[ElNik2013]

Yeah it reads as a huge slight to Mottola. No other way to spin those comments.

 

 

Haven't read, watched nor heard this and won't, sounds like propaganda.

[ElNik2013]

 

.......and we're idiots

 

 

 

This is BS. The reason they were a "tandem" is because AA didn't have the balls to fire Murphy last offseason so he kept him as a 1b coach/hitting coach.

[ElNik2013]

AA doesn't know what he's doing. No other team that I can think of has 2 hitting coaches, it just doesn't happen. Plus, remember Lind saying he received mixed messages from Farrell and Murphy? Well, I think it comes from the fact that AA doesn't have a baseball philosophy.

[Angrioter]

Tony Rasmus isn't happy after that news.

[Abomination]

I can't recall all of the things in the interview (was half doing other stuff), but he said that:

 

-Mottola was offered the opportunity to stay in the organization and will be given lots of time to make a decision on whether to accept or not.

-Gibbons has a few hitting coaches in mind who he's worked with before to replace Mottola.

-Something about not being happy about the high strikeout numbers on the team, as well as 2 strike approach if I remember right.

-Said some players who finished strong may have changed the organization's thoughts on their futures (took this to mean Lind and Santos but can't recall if he mentioned names or not), as well as some who finished very poorly (didn't mention JPA by name, but certainly seemed to indicate him in combo with the previous statements).

-Seemed (indirectly of course) to be some indication that the team wants to transition away from home run or bust approach.

-Internal talk about Cecil and McGowan for rotation. Decided to keep Cecil in his current role, but will re-evaluate McGowan in the spring. #1 thing is keeping him healthy, but may look to stretch him out and see how it goes.

-No decision yet on JJ. They hope to have him get on the mound for light sessions before they have to make a decision.

-Morrow injury thought to be caused from throwing cutters in the spring. No mention if he will abandon the pitch or not. They're hoping to have him throw in November and see how things are going.

-Doesn't expect anything to really happen until winter meetings.

 

I think there was more, this is just off the top of my head during the hockey intermission.

[Boxcar]

True, but I'd still expect to see some improvement (at least in technique) considering how bad they were at it. Also, CM had been working with some of the guys in the minors for a few years, so I think some of it is fair to pin on him. That's about the only bad thing I can say about him though, and I was surprised and disappointed when I saw the headlines yesterday.

 

I still think there's more to this.

 

Of all the things to complain about, we are picking out something as insignificant as bunting?

[GeorgiaPeach]

AA doesn't know what he's doing. No other team that I can think of has 2 hitting coaches, it just doesn't happen. Plus, remember Lind saying he received mixed messages from Farrell and Murphy? Well, I think it comes from the fact that AA doesn't have a baseball philosophy.

 

As much as I hated the idea and thought it was comical to have 2 HC's, I believe there's another team in baseball I saw on a broadcast that also employs two HC's. Just can't think of who it is.

[ElNik2013]

As much as I hated the idea and thought it was comical to have 2 HC's, I believe there's another team in baseball I saw on a broadcast that also employs two HC's. Just can't think of who it is.

 

The thing is I don't think they had 2 HC's because they were trying to be creative, I think they had 2 hitting coaches because AA didn't have the balls or authority to fire Murphy.

[GeorgiaPeach]

I can't recall all of the things in the interview (was half doing other stuff), but he said that:

 

-Something about not being happy about the high strikeout numbers on the team, as well as 2 strike approach if I remember right.

-Seemed (indirectly of course) to be some indication that the team wants to transition away from home run or bust approach.

 

IMO his responses to Bob were "I hear what you're saying, but we're gonna continue on having bad approaches at the plate because we're a homerun hitting team and we're not gonna change."

 

He really tried to subtly defend the fact Bob called the players out on a piss poor approach with two strikes.

 

It sounds like Alex has given up. As was mentioned earlier its like he has this political sit on the fence, tap dance talk. It doesn't sound like he has a plan anymore....very different from two years ago. Kind of a reactionary attitude to what's going on with the team opposed to the proactive approach from years ago.

[GeorgiaPeach]

The thing is I don't think they had 2 HC's because they were trying to be creative, I think they had 2 hitting coaches because AA didn't have the balls or authority to fire Murphy.

 

I agree. And I hope MLB doesn't have any say in keeping the quotas for minorities in coaching/managing. Just hire the best f***ing person for the job.

[Convo]

This all comes back to JPA and AA's secret lover affair.

[Abomination]

Of all the things to complain about, we are picking out something as insignificant as bunting?

 

It was a minor point as part of a post I made quite a while back (think it was something about hitting fundamentals). I was defending my opinion on it when challenged, not making it a major point of contention.

[The Cats Ass]

AA doesn't know what he's doing. No other team that I can think of has 2 hitting coaches, it just doesn't happen. Plus, remember Lind saying he received mixed messages from Farrell and Murphy? Well, I think it comes from the fact that AA doesn't have a baseball philosophy.

 

As much as I hated the idea and thought it was comical to have 2 HC's, I believe there's another team in baseball I saw on a broadcast that also employs two HC's. Just can't think of who it is.

 

Boston Red Sox have two hitting coaches... And what a joke of an organization they are...

 

They also scored 57 more runs then the team with the 2nd most.

 

But ya, no way having two hitting coaches could work...

[ace3113]

This is cronyism at it's finest. Hey Chad thanks for all the hard work, but I think we'll hire Gibby's brother-in-law or something.

[ace3113]

Heck, while we're at it fire Walker and bring back Arnsberg. He fixed Ricky Romero the first time, maybe he can put him back together again.

[ace3113]

This all comes back to JPA and AA's secret lover affair.

 

Well the Greeks are said to have invented it.