Stoeten continues the culture war (Bluefield, Muffins, Trolls, Suckholes)

[Olerud363]

http://blogs.thescore.com/djf/2013/10/01/prospecting-b-a-s-league-by-league-top-20s/

 

Stoeten's latest. He regurgitates a baseball america report that shows the blue jays are refilling the cupboard while using his article to take shots at the negative "Muffins", "Trolls", and "Suckholes".

 

As a regular reader here, I have been following debates about the Bluefield guys for a couple of months. I didn't need Stoeten via baseball america to tell me about D.J. Davis.

 

My major complaint about this organization isn't that they are crashing to zero, it's that they go on forever in this 75-85 win zone.... Never having everything go right at once. The present strategy leads to more of the same in my opinion. What are the chances R.A. Dickey, Buerhle, Bautista, EE, Happ, Nay, Davis, Lugo, Dejonge, Tarado play together??

 

What would the chances of been that Synd, Nicoloino, Marisnick, D'arnaud, etc, Nay, Lugo, Dejonge, etc, played together? What if they sold more (Bautista, EE, Romero, etc at relatively high points) to get an even larger base of prospects, moved those prospects along, then used that very deep pool to get the right pieces for 2015?? These are the questions people are asking. It's not mindless negativity. It's about looking closely at cycles, and trying to figure out how the Bluefield cycle is ever going to mesh with the current "all-in" cycle.

 

It gets complicated because then you get people arguing that attendance would of crashed without the hype, that 75 win "hyped up" seasons are way more valueble then 75 win "development" seasons. I don't know.

 

Personally I don't need a hyped up "all-in" 75 win season. I'd watch more games in a development 75 win season. So it seems in the end you get to this point, where everything is done for the casuals. For the casuals who read Stoeten's blog (and are just being introduced to the Bluefield guys), for the big fat Beestly casual who runs things, And guys like Stoeten and Wilner just assume that anyone who doesn't agree with them are casuals with mental illness.

 

"Stop crying Muffins, take your meds and let me introduce you to Bluefield. Bet you never heard of that?? It's all right here in Baseball America!"

[G-Snarls]

Also, the day Stoeten stops writing to the lowest-common denominator fan is the day he becomes a legitimate blogger. Those fans are never going to listen, may as well leave them alone. Why sacrifice most of your audience to try and prove 5% of your audience is wrong.

 

BNS >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>€€>>>>>>> Stoeten

[Olerud363]

Also, the day Stoeten stops writing to the lowest-common denominator fan is the day he becomes a legitimate blogger. Those fans are never going to listen, may as well leave them alone. Why sacrifice most of your audience to try and prove 5% of your audience is wrong.

 

WARNING: I've said it before, and I'm saying it again, so skip the rest this you've read more than 5 of my posts.

 

I keep bringing Stoeten up because to me Wilner and Stoeten represent the worst of Blue Jays culture.

 

4 years ago I liked both. Stoeten was the edgy guy who wrote a great honest blog, very critical of elements of blue jays culture (ripped Gaston), Wilner fiesty in his own way (famously went toe to toe with Gaston).

 

Now both are cheer leaders... why?? It's just the world in general. I think there are a lot of politics involved... Anybody who's worked their way up the coorporate ladder knows this.

 

Does Beeston bring Wilner/Stoeten into his office and says "toe the line of your f'n fired"?? In Wilner's case... maybe. In Steoten's case as far as I know there is no direct connection between Rogers and the online SCORE website... but he schmoozes in the same crowds... and knows not to burn bridges. So I think in Stoeten's case he's an intelligent guy, may know that the Score gig won't go on forever, and needs to make sure he's in the good books of certain people.

[Angrioter]

Stoeten, most people aren't saying the Jays have no prospects... just that the farm system is below-average, with little impact close-to-MLB guys. Every team has a bunch of intriguing athletes in rookie ball. The Blue Jays' collection of teenage talent isn't special.

 

"Wait - See guys"

Blue Jays have very little impact talent in his minor league system.

[P2F]

Stoeten's a bum.

 

It was only a couple seasons ago that I used to enjoy reading DJF. Now it's a pile of s***.

[Errorcebia]

djf sucks

[bzapple]

So what did Stoeten have for breakfast today?

[G-Snarls]

I can't wait for some news. There is just nothing to discuss with this team right now.

[Laika]

Relax, dick weeds. He's talking about people like radio call-in stooges who complain that the Jays traded all their good prospects.

 

This article was actually pretty decent. Nice to see some of the high praise.

 

Stoeten somehow turned a hobby into a full time job. I don't really think he needs blogging tips from you guys, sorry.

[ace3113]

Stoeten somehow turned a hobby into a full time job. I don't really think he needs blogging tips from you guys, sorry.

 

William Hung turned singing bad into a professional career, therefore he doesn't need singing lessons.

 

[GD]

It's DeJong btw

[ExposFan]

So what did Stoeten have for breakfast today?

 

Have you seen a pic of the fat f***?

 

One of everything, most likely.

[BlueJayWay]

Muffins?

[Olerud363]

Relax, dick weeds. He's talking about people like radio call-in stooges who complain that the Jays traded all their good prospects.

 

This article was actually pretty decent. Nice to see some of the high praise.

 

Stoeten somehow turned a hobby into a full time job. I don't really think he needs blogging tips from you guys, sorry.

 

If he is only talking about radio call-in stooges he should clarify that... he needs to say...

 

"And I do say, those of you who follow the team night and day, have followed the team for 20 years or more, search the web for internet feeds of low a ball, know the rosters of all the minor league teams... for those of you who track bbref WAR and fangraphs WAR and average them with a third WAR that you invented... for those of you who were born Sunday October 24th 1993 and missed it by one day... for those of you who still drink Labatt's, for those you who dress in blue every single day... to those I say... you are strange folk with too much time on your hands, but your negativity is understood as part of your deep fanatism... I don't share that negativity, but I do respect it... derogatory comments such as "sourpuss" and "muffins" are indeed not aimed at you but only aimed at radio call-in stooges. I hope there is never a misunderstanding on this. -- yours in deep respect -- Stoeten."

[TheHurl]

Stoeten will write about this board someday...guarantee it as we are exactly the types that he loves to think he knows more than

[Angrioter]

Stoeten will write about this board someday...guarantee it as we are exactly the types that he loves to think he knows more than

 

He doesn't know the game more than us. Here are several people with sufficient capacity to write with more objectively that him.

 

Dingers+Ribeyes, Sabermetric, ********......No matter what.