You Fix The Team

[Laika]

My reasoning for including Morrow and Happ, was because the Royals will have virtually no pitching depth with Santana already set to bolt as a FA. If they also traded Shields this off season for anything that didn't include at least 1 major league ready arm, their rotation would consist solely of Jeremy Guthrie and Danny Duffy (who is coming off TJ and has never thrown more than 106 innings in the MLB), without much help coming by way of the farm for at least 2 more years.

 

Generally speaking though, the solution to a lack of pitching depth doesn't tend to be trading away your best pitcher. Generally speaking.

 

Shields

Duffy

Paulino

Guthrie

Davis

Ventura (AAA, killing the minors)

Zimmer (AA, killing the minors)

__________

Chen (FA)

Hochevar

Mendoza

Will Smith

 

They're clearing 13M when Santana walks. They'll probably just sign a decent SP or two.

[ace3113]

I, for one, still want to keep Morrow. That f***er owes us a no-hitter and a 20 win season.

 

(Kidding, he doesn't owe us squat, but the last two seasons I felt he was poised for that massive breakout killer season and I don't want it to happen somewhere else)

 

What a frustrating player to be a big fan of. He's like the Lamborghini that thrills you when it's working but spends 80% of the time in the shop getting worked on. (No, I don't own one of those)

 

He reminds me so much of AJ Burnett. You have no idea what you're going to get from him from start to start, or from season to season. So frustrating.

[ace3113]

Ventura (AAA, killing the minors)

Zimmer (AA, killing the minors)

 

I didn't even realize Ventura was in AAA. Pitching well in the PCL too. On second thought, if they trade Shields they should be looking for a very good hitting prospect. Probably a right fielder like the one they traded away. Joc Pederson from the Dodgers or Nick Castellanos from Detroit could fit the bill.

[Frenchsoup]

*Sign Maccann 5yr 17.5

*Sign Molina 1yr 3 *Izturis can platoon with goins and give infeilders days off when needed

*Sign Loney 3yr 20 *Sign a platoon partner for Gose ie. Franklin Gutierrez,Chris Young

*Send thole to buffalo for catching depth now that aj is hurt again * Pickup Linds option and get what you can for him

*Trade rasmus for a young starter with options

*Resign jj or nolasco or go after Tanaka

[Frenchsoup]

This would be disastrous.

 

The only thing i really see wrong with it is believing in gose, in that case mclouth would be a good CF candidate, i don't think he likes TO very much though...

[EdelweissBouquet]

JFaS, your projections on Jimenez and Stroman seem a bit optimistic.

 

1st post you've made where I 100%

agree, beware,posters here will

now view you in a different light.

[GD]

1st post you've made where I 100%

agree, beware,posters here will

now view you in a different light.

 

You agree with me? Christ, what has my life come to?

[BarrysSyringe]

-Sign Halladay (2/22, +11 Mil Option)

-Sign Infante (3/21)

-Sign Beltran (2/26, +13 Mil Option)

-Sign Corey Hart (1/4, +7 Mil Option)

-Sign Ruiz (2/14, Options at 8 Mil for 2016, 2017)

-Sign Haren (1/5, +7 Mil Option)

-Trade Melkey, Lind, Janssen, Izturis, Arencibia

-Decline option on JJ

-Pick up Derosa's option

 

1. Reyes (16)

2.Lawrie (500K)

3.Bautista (14)

4.Encarnacion (9)

5.Beltran (13)

6.Rasmus (8)

7.Hart (4)

8.Ruiz (7)

9.Infante (7)

 

1.Halladay (12)

2.Morrow (8)

3.Buehrle (18)

4.Dickey (12)

5.Haren (5)

 

CL-Delabar (500K)

SU-Cecil (2)

RP-Santos (3.75)

RP-Wagner (350K)

RP-McGowan (1.5)

RP-Loup (500K)

LRP-Happ (5.2)

 

INF-Kawasaki (350K)

UTIL-Derosa (750K)

OF-Pillar (500K)

C-Thole (1.25)

 

Payroll: $149.3 Million

 

In my eyes, that is a legit contending team in the AL east. It just all depends on if AA can pry open Rogers wallets and squeeze a little bit more money out of them. I think that is a faptacular team.

[Laika]

1.Halladay (12)

2.Morrow (8)

3.Buehrle (18)

4.Dickey (12)

5.Haren (5)

 

This would definitely be the worst ROI rotation in baseball. Probably bottom 5 again in ERA.

[Angrioter]

-Sign Halladay (2/22, +11 Mil Option)

-Sign Infante (3/21)

-Sign Beltran (2/26, +13 Mil Option)

-Sign Corey Hart (1/4, +7 Mil Option)

-Sign Ruiz (2/14, Options at 8 Mil for 2016, 2017)

-Sign Haren (1/5, +7 Mil Option)

-Trade Melkey, Lind, Janssen, Izturis, Arencibia

-Decline option on JJ

-Pick up Derosa's option

 

1. Reyes (16)

2.Lawrie (500K)

3.Bautista (14)

4.Encarnacion (9)

5.Beltran (13)

6.Rasmus (8)

7.Hart (4)

8.Ruiz (7)

9.Infante (7)

 

1.Halladay (12)

2.Morrow (8)

3.Buehrle (18)

4.Dickey (12)

5.Haren (5)

 

CL-Delabar (500K)

SU-Cecil (2)

RP-Santos (3.75)

RP-Wagner (350K)

RP-McGowan (1.5)

RP-Loup (500K)

LRP-Happ (5.2)

 

INF-Kawasaki (350K)

UTIL-Derosa (750K)

OF-Pillar (500K)

C-Thole (1.25)

 

Payroll: $149.3 Million

 

In my eyes, that is a legit contending team in the AL east. It just all depends on if AA can pry open Rogers wallets and squeeze a little bit more money out of them. I think that is a faptacular team.

 

No f***ing way.................Halladay and Haren? Why?

[Angrioter]

This would definitely be the worst ROI rotation in baseball. Probably bottom 5 again in ERA.

 

Help me bro

 

JJ 2012

xFIP 3.73

7.76 K/9

3.06 BB/9

46.2% GB

 

Vs

 

JJ 2013

xFIP 3.59

9.18 K/9

3.32 BB/9

45.1% GB

 

 

The other details (18.5% HR/FB - 2013) don't matter, don't shed much light on the debate lol

[BarrysSyringe]

No f***ing way.................Halladay and Haren? Why?

If Halladay gets his arm strength back up i could see him putting up a low 3 ERA. Haren's last 10 starts he has posted a 2.5 ERA. He has lost velo but i could see him being a solid 5 starter for us. Im not saying the weighted ball will put these guys back into their career norms but I could definitely see it helping them quite a bit. They have struggled because they have lost velocity on their pitches, but if they can get their arm strength back up i think that could be a very good rotation. I would also like to see what they do the rest of the season.

[Angrioter]

If Halladay gets his arm strength back up i could see him putting up a low 3 ERA. Haren's last 10 starts he has posted a 2.5 ERA. He has lost velo but i could see him being a solid 5 starter for us. Im not saying the weighted ball will put these guys back into their career norms but I could definitely see it helping them quite a bit. They have struggled because they have lost velocity on their pitches, but if they can get their arm strength back up i think that could be a very good rotation. I would also like to see what they do the rest of the season.

 

With the old Dickey is enough....We need young, healthy men.

[Laika]

Help me bro

 

JJ 2012

xFIP 3.73

7.76 K/9

3.06 BB/9

46.2% GB

 

Vs

 

JJ 2013

xFIP 3.59

9.18 K/9

3.32 BB/9

45.1% GB

 

 

The other details (18.5% HR/FB - 2013) don't matter, don't shed much light on the debate lol

 

Some of it is just plain old bad luck. Say how much of it is bad luck is pretty hard to do though, since we have a league chance going on + a decline in skills.

[Angrioter]

Some of it is just plain old bad luck. Say how much of it is bad luck is pretty hard to do though, since we have a league chance going on + a decline in skills.

 

Bring him back at low cost is an acceptable idea (Talent > results)

what do you think?

[BarrysSyringe]

With the old Dickey is enough....We need young, healthy men.

We need pitchers who can pitch, doesnt matter the age.

[Laika]

Bring him back at low cost is an acceptable idea

what do you think?

 

If we're talking about, like, 5M, then sure. But I don't see why JJ would do that.

 

He'll go to the NL. Pittsburgh will get him for dirt cheap and he'll be 2014's Liriano. Something like that.

 

I wouldn't give him 10+ mill. I don't like the gamble, and that's mostly considering his health concerns, not necessarily his ERA.

[Angrioter]

We need pitchers who can pitch, doesnt matter the age.

 

Productivity decreases with age.

[BarrysSyringe]

Productivity decreases with age.

i realize that but halladay could quite possibly be the most productive pitcher available

[Angrioter]

i realize that but halladay could quite possibly be the most productive pitcher available

 

Garza or via trade

[BarrysSyringe]

Garza or via trade

your ganna fork out 16-18 mil for garza when Halladay can come cheaper and put up as good of numbers? And what prospects do we have that can land us a good pitcher? Unless you want to trade sanchez

[Abomination]

Some of it is just plain old bad luck. Say how much of it is bad luck is pretty hard to do though, since we have a league chance going on + a decline in skills.

 

I think it's all about command right now for JJ. His HR/FB rate is just stupid right now and probably a bit unlucky, but one number that really jumps out for me is the drop in percentage of pitches thrown for strikes the last two years.

[Laika]

I think it's all about command right now for JJ. His HR/FB rate is just stupid right now and probably a bit unlucky, but one number that really jumps out for me is the drop in percentage of pitches thrown for strikes the last two years.

 

Could be so, but it would just be weird that he could still post K and BB rates like this if strike throwing was his main issue. I guess you could rationalize it somewhat like this:

 

He has a lot of trouble throwing that slider for a strike. It's always finishing down and out of the zone.

This is leading to a small spike in BB rate, but also an increase in the K rate since it's acting very much like an out pitch.

However, for players that can recognize the breaking ball, they can essentially forget about it and sit fastball. This explains some of the "hittability" (BABIP and HR/FB), and by extension, some of the grossly high ERA.

 

.... But then we're just constructing stories, probably.

 

It's only 81 innings though, so I'm comfortable with just hanging the weird numbers on the small sample size hook and moving on. For me, JJ will go into 2014 not much worse than he came into 2013 - as a huge injury risk with some upside.

[GeorgiaPeach]

They would never ever take that

 

And why would they need to with Montero inked long term

[Angrioter]

I think it's all about command right now for JJ. His HR/FB rate is just stupid right now and probably a bit unlucky, but one number that really jumps out for me is the drop in percentage of pitches thrown for strikes the last two years.

 

Could be so, but it would just be weird that he could still post K and BB rates like this if strike throwing was his main issue. I guess you could rationalize it somewhat like this:

 

He has a lot of trouble throwing that slider for a strike. It's always finishing down and out of the zone.

This is leading to a small spike in BB rate, but also an increase in the K rate since it's acting very much like an out pitch.

However, for players that can recognize the breaking ball, they can essentially forget about it and sit fastball. This explains some of the "hittability" (BABIP and HR/FB), and by extension, some of the grossly high ERA.

 

.... But then we're just constructing stories, probably.

 

Adam Dunn suffered the same effect with the change of league.

2009 - 11.9% BB, 31% K = .381 wOBA,136 wRC+

2010 - 15.1% BB, 35% K = .268 wOBA, 60 wRC+

 

The BABIP can kill you, take care.

[GeorgiaPeach]

How many innings would you pencil him in for next season? Another 80 like this year? That certainly wouldn't be worth 14 million.

 

You also have to factor in the value of the draft pick.

[Laika]

You also have to factor in the value of the draft pick.

 

No you don't. It's completely immaterial. Not even in the equation.

 

Johnson would accept a QO before he could blink.

[Angrioter]

You also have to factor in the value of the draft pick.

 

JJ would accept the QO without thinking. There will not be draft pick.

[GeorgiaPeach]

No you don't. It's completely immaterial. Not even in the equation.

 

Johnson would accept a QO before he could blink.

 

Sorry, got mixed up with back and forth discussion of offering not offering and the value.

 

I'd offer him the QO.

[G-Snarls]

Sorry, got mixed up with back and forth discussion of offering not offering and the value.

 

I'd offer him the QO.

 

Agree. We gave up a lot to get him and even if he's only decent next year I can handle 14M because I don't know who else we can get via free agency on a short term deal.

 

If some other GM decides to gamble and give him a 2-3 year deal, then we have three first round picks.