Can Ryan Goins stick?

[Abomination]

The earth is flat if you don't love SABR stats.

 

The earth LOOKS flat when you look in the distance from the ground. When you embrace more advanced science, you learn that your eyes deceived you.

[Jays]

I'd have to watch the game to find out, something that you SABR guys seem to forget about. You want to eliminate the need to watch the games and know the players.

 

were you the guy that said he hadn't watched a game in a month and were judging Goins entirely on box scores?

[gruber92]

That tag on the SO throw em out DP was fantastic.

 

Yeah that was some kind of outstanding. The around the horn DP was a turned f***ing flawlessly also to get the runner by a half step. Major props to Lawrie also i have to add. I have to say,the infield defense has been looking pretty sick in the last 10 days.

[DuckDuckGose]

Holy f*** already. SABR are good to start your initial platform in evaluating a player,no doubt. But you have to actually watch the player physically play and also try and learn about personality and clubhouse presence also.

 

Maybe its just Toronto.

 

It goes both ways.

 

Holy f*** already. Observation is a good to start your initial platform in evaluating a player,no doubt. But you have to actually analyze the player's performance statistically and also try and learn about personality and clubhouse presence.

 

A mix of both is what is always best.

[gruber92]

That was a stretch. I apologize, I got a little worked up.

 

I appreciate the apology. That kind of stuff will get you by in life,internet or not,trust me.

 

Tell havok24 to go f*** himself.

[Laika]

Nope. He's the third best at getting hits. Which is the most important thing in the game.

 

No he's not. I'd explain why but I don't think you'd really understand.

 

And the most important thing in the game definitely isn't getting base hits, it's contributing positively to your team's run differential.

[gruber92]

It goes both ways.

 

Holy f*** already. Observation is a good to start your initial platform in evaluating a player,no doubt. But you have to actually analyze the player's performance statistically and also try and learn about personality and clubhouse presence.

 

A mix of both is what is always best.

 

Agreed. In the Goins case,i feel with such tremendous upside on defense,the org has to give him an extended look somehow. The fact that he looks comfortable and has a decent offensive approach,makes it more so. I got a feeling AA may give him the starting 2B spot next year and use the money saved to upgrade the more offensive demanding positions (C,LF,1B / DH ). Is he going to play winter ball this year? In case you know already.

[DuckDuckGose]

Is he going to play winter ball this year? In case you know already.

 

Wasn't in the announced list of 7 AFL players. Things could change I guess but, it doesn't look like he'll be playing winter ball this year.

[theblujay]

So ... Let me understand. You believe that getting hits is the most important part of the game. So if two p,ayers are hitting .260, it is your contention that they are equally talented at getting base hits. So then, how would you ever decide even after watching both players say, over a full season, which one you'd rather have on your team if the most important stat you have says the players are equally talented in the most important part of the game?

 

I'm going to a banquet is ill be back later to answer whatever it is you come up with.

 

If they are equally talented at getting hits, then I would look to other parts of their game: power, defense, speed. It's pretty simple. All stats are important, but getting hits is the most important. And then I would look at stats like runs and rbis to see how the player has contributed to scoring runs to help my final assessment. Of course I would also like to watch the player play and come up with my own analysis.

[theblujay]

So ... Let me understand. You believe that getting hits is the most important part of the game. So if two p,ayers are hitting .260, it is your contention that they are equally talented at getting base hits. So then, how would you ever decide even after watching both players say, over a full season, which one you'd rather have on your team if the most important stat you have says the players are equally talented in the most important part of the game?

 

I'm going to a banquet is ill be back later to answer whatever it is you come up with.

 

No he's not. I'd explain why but I don't think you'd really understand.

 

And the most important thing in the game definitely isn't getting base hits, it's contributing positively to your team's run differential.

 

I don't know much about Chris Johnson, but that's what batting average is, getting hits.

 

I said the most important offensive thing is getting hits, not overall.

[theblujay]

This is why scouts suck.

 

Are you saying he doesn't?

Edited September 5, 2013 by theblujay

[theblujay]

My console froze and I'm not going to write everything out again. Long story short you're dumb, they're smart, some are brilliant.

 

You've talked out of both sides of your mouth, stumbling all over what you've said in two seperate threads. You sure you aren't DJ from the old board because the hive mind is correct towards looking at SABR stats. I've learned a lot from them, and I've been watching since 79'.

 

As for the scouting part obviously nobody, yes that includes you cause you saw a f***ing game here or there, this is where it becomes prevalent by reports and STATS.

 

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So why don't you call out everyone else for talking about prospects they haven't seen? That's the whole point of the board, to talk about prospects and find out information about them.

 

They don't look at SABR stats and incorporate them into observations, they live for SABR stats. They don't look at anything else. You need a mix and balance.

[DuckDuckGose]

If they are equally talented at getting hits, then I would look to other parts of their game: power, defense, speed. It's pretty simple. All stats are important, but getting hits is the most important. And then I would look at stats like runs and rbis to see how the player has contributed to scoring runs to help my final assessment. Of course I would also like to watch the player play and come up with my own analysis.

 

Not making an out > getting a hit. One of the basic tennets of SABRmetrics.

[theblujay]

Not making an out > getting a hit. One of the basic tennets of SABRmetrics.

 

That's just saying the same thing but adding walks/errors. Plus then you get into sacrifices and productive outs.

 

Btw I didn't mean to quote you 3 times I don't know why it happened

[GD]

God damnit, I missed a fun bump tonight apparently

 

productive outs.

 

oh christ, that was a debacle

[theblujay]

God damnit, I missed a fun bump tonight apparently

 

 

 

oh christ, that was a debacle

 

Are you denying that there are productive outs?

[theblujay]

My point went straight over your head, yer dumn.

 

I'm not even gonna bother debating with you since you continue to ignore what I'm saying and just attack.

[GD]

Are you denying that there are productive outs?

 

No, it's just that someone tried to quantify them and it was really funny.

 

You also missed the huge debate in the reverse standings thread. Me and Cooler Heads went at it like boxers. But I don't want to get into that too much, I don't want a 5 day ban lol

 

Ooh gonna read that in a moment

[theblujay]

The most important part of being a position player is generating positive runs for the team, which comes through hitting, baserunning or fielding. The most important part of Andrelton Simmons' game is his glove, since that's where he creates the most positive runs. But Miguel Cabrera is a poor fielder and baserunner -- hitting is the most important part of his game.

 

Within hitting you have hitting for average, for power, and drawing walks. Linear weights make it easy to assign specific values for each event. There is no doubt that getting hits is important, but it's not necessary if you can draw walks and hit for power. You can come up with different slash lines that emphasize each individual component (hit/power/walks), but are equivalent. As with the overall skillset of position players (hitting/fielding/running), you can't come up with a "most important" part of hitting, as none of them are necessary if the others are there.

 

I see what you're saying but I guess I'm thinking along the lines that power comes from making good contact with the ball and being a good hitter. Some guys are all or nothing, but many aren't. I guess I was thinking that being able to hit the ball for a hit came first, and whether it was a single, double or triple came next. Walks are important but as we discussed in the other thread a hit is more valuable than a walk.

[theblujay]

You'll ignore me or anyone else with a brain, because you're an imbecile.

 

Keep it up. It's clear you have nothing constructive to say.

[GD]

Admin deleted the posts. It was that bad

 

PM me lol I wanna hear about this

 

 

 

Goins has a 96 wRC+ on a .382 BABIP. Shame

[GD]

77 on 0.361

 

oh wow I never noticed they updated wRC+ and BABIP under the "today" column until now

 

Shame but oh so predictable

[theblujay]

oh wow I never noticed they updated wRC+ and BABIP under the "today" column until now

 

Shame but oh so predictable

 

Well I'm glad you're happy he's doing bad now. I guess it isn't SSS anymore

[GD]

oh wow I never noticed they updated wRC+ and BABIP under the "today" column until now

 

Shame but oh so predictable

 

Well I'm glad you're happy he's doing bad now. I guess it isn't SSS anymore

 

Are you f***ing for real

 

Oh and it still is SSS it's just extremely unlikely it improves as the sample grows to be adequate

 

I really hope it does though

 

Not just for this year but period, but that's just not likely

[JSFIP]

Wat?

 

Solid response.

[JSFIP]

You also missed the huge debate in the reverse standings thread. Me and Cooler Heads went at it like boxers. But I don't want to get into that too much, I don't want a 5 day ban lol

 

Actually he totally ripped you a new one, you tried to deny it and no one backed you up. But your version works too.

[GD]

Actually he totally ripped you a new one, you tried to deny it and no one backed you up. But your version works too.

 

I would have but I missed it

 

I'm the blitz lol

[BlueJayWay]

I think it's the name. "Batting average" sounds like it should be really important.

[flafson]

I think we should make a poll about Goins and then we can close the book on him

[JSFIP]

I would have but I missed it

 

I'm the blitz lol

 

It's cool GD