Hutch Watch

[Chappy]

Personally I don't want to see Hutch back on the big club this year unless he's fully stretched out and dominating AA. We have nothing to gain by rushing him. I'd rather give Stroman a shot in the rotation if we need someone in the near future.

 

Hutch shouldn't see any time with the big club this year, there is absolutely no reason for it. This team needs to protect Hutch, Stroman and Nolin right now, those guys are our only immediate hope to get younger in the rotation.

 

Stroman might be ready, but now that this team is so far back we don't need to risk anything. I would just let all three build their innings in the minors and next season we can start looking at them as our primary depth options.

[o2cui2i]

I think you could make the argument that Toronto only needs to add 1 SP this winter, and there's no point in doing so unless that guy is a sure SP3 or better.

 

Dickey

Morrow

Buehrle

Happ

Hutch

Stroman

Nolin

Rogers?

 

Well, I dunno. Maybe that argument would be pretty bad. The depth will be there but the top end production will be a massive question mark. If you look at mean outcomes down the list, you probably have: SP3, hurt/SP4, SP4, SP5, SP5, SP5/RP, SP5, SP5/RP.

 

not a bad outlook for the Rotation. how's the offense look. (rhetorical)

[Olerud363]

Hutchison isn't Havery.....oh wait, he hit 97Mph last night.

 

My point is: Jays need a real top-rotation SP. Johnson failed and Morrow is Morrow.

 

But if you have 10 decent prospects you'll get an ace somehow even if no one is projected for that.... somebody will overperform. Maybe not at a Harvey level... that's historic. But if you could find someone who performed at a Romero-2011 level, and was consistent and durable that's what you need. Consistent and durable is 70% of the battle.

 

Stroman - Nolan - Synd - Sanchez - Nico - etc. etc. = decent rotation + 1 ace.

 

Basically take all pitchers under 25 blue jays owned as of July 1st 2012 and there will be a decent rotation and an ace in their for 2015.

[Olerud363]

But if you have 10 decent prospects you'll get an ace somehow even if no one is projected for that.... somebody will overperform. Maybe not at a Harvey level... that's historic. But if you could find someone who performed at a Romero-2011 level, and was consistent and durable that's what you need. Consistent and durable is 70% of the battle.

 

Stroman - Nolan - Synd - Sanchez - Nico - etc. etc. = decent rotation + 1 ace.

 

Basically take all pitchers under 25 blue jays owned as of July 1st 2012 and there will be a decent rotation and an ace in their for 2015.

 

I will get flamed for this that I am a moron and am an idiot for believing in random distributions and positive surprises (and not the absolute accurate predictions of the super scouts)... nothing more I can really say today but I will bump this Oct 1st 2015.)

[KSaw]

Personally I don't want to see Hutch back on the big club this year unless he's fully stretched out and dominating AA. We have nothing to gain by rushing him. I'd rather give Stroman a shot in the rotation if we need someone in the near future.

 

I can't imagine that Stroman gets added to the 40-man roster this year. He doesn't need to protected from rule 5 in the offseason and there's no need to have him use up an option when he doesn't make the club in April.

 

Hutch may or may not get a couple of September starts, though I think that he will. Weber and Nolin are on the roster if a starter is needed. I'd just stick with them unless something crazy like another 11-game win streak occurs.

[Orgfiller]

I was a big believer and supporter of Hutch when he first came up, so it's nice to see him get a good jump in hi rehab starts. Before he got injured he was getting everything figured out, fastball command was always there, in his last few starts he was sitting 94-95 and consistently hitting 96, it looked like he was getting a good feel for his offspeed (mainly slider and changeup) which reflected in his increased K rate over the last few games. If he can go back to being around that level, with obvious potential then he would be welcomed with open arms, I could really see him turn into a good #4/5 starter with potential for a solid #3 or fringe #2.

[Sparky12]

Hutch tonight 4.1ip 3h 1er 1bb 7k and up to 75 pitches, another couple starts and he's probably back to 100 pitch count, really hoping to see him start in the MLB in September to help establish himself for next uear

[Arkadium]

Hutch tonight 4.1ip 3h 1er 1bb 7k and up to 75 pitches, another couple starts and he's probably back to 100 pitch count, really hoping to see him start in the MLB in September to help establish himself for next uear

 

Can't wait to see him back

[Sparky12]

I'm very excited about both hutch and Stroman, wouldn't be surprised to see both become big parts of our rotation next year hopefully because they force there way onto the team, would be nice not have to see scrubs like Redmod, Wang, Ortiz etc that we were forced to watch this year

[GNick]

Yes

 

Stroman in September would give me a reason to at least want to watch every 5th game

 

Why the rush on for Stroman? He's giving up a lot of homeruns for Double A. Likely be hammered in homerun hitters park like Rogers. Sounds like he has quite a bit of seasoning to do before he's major league ready. I'd be looking at 2015 spring.

[Daniel Labude]

Why the rush on for Stroman? He's giving up a lot of homeruns for Double A. Likely be hammered in homerun hitters park like Rogers. Sounds like he has quite a bit of seasoning to do before he's major league ready. I'd be looking at 2015 spring.

 

Then u know nothing about baseball...when someone strikes out 11 batters a game and has an ERA under 3, that is dominating a league. He Is doing better than almost every single pitching prospect in baseball and would absolutley dominate for the blue jays today... road or home games.

 

Thats like saying Harvey is giving up too many runs and needs more seasoning in the minors.

[GD]

Thats like saying Harvey is giving up too many runs and needs more seasoning in the minors.

 

No, it isn't. Marcus Stroman is giving up 1.18 HR/9. That is a legitimate problem. I don't think he'd get smacked around, but I'm very worried about the HRs.

 

And he most likely wouldn't "dominate".

[Angrioter]

No, it isn't. Marcus Stroman is giving up 1.18 HR/9. That is a legitimate problem. I don't think he'd get smacked around, but I'm very worried about the HRs.

 

And he most likely wouldn't "dominate".

 

Like Klaw said, Stroman fastball isn't the best. He must keep his fastball down and reduce long balls.

[Daniel Labude]

No, it isn't. Marcus Stroman is giving up 1.18 HR/9. That is a legitimate problem. I don't think he'd get smacked around, but I'm very worried about the HRs.

 

And he most likely wouldn't "dominate".

 

I meant saying he wont be up here till spring 2015 would be like saying Harvey needs to go back to the minors.

 

I do believe he would dominate...maybe not in September, but the start of next season.

[DuckDuckGose]

No, it isn't. Marcus Stroman is giving up 1.18 HR/9. That is a legitimate problem. I don't think he'd get smacked around, but I'm very worried about the HRs.

 

And he most likely wouldn't "dominate".

 

14 starts so far in AA. 6HR in his first 7 starts (30IP) vs 4HR in the last 7 (45IP).

 

Seems more like rust that a legitimate concern IMO.

[GNick]

Then u know nothing about baseball...when someone strikes out 11 batters a game and has an ERA under 3, that is dominating a league. He Is doing better than almost every single pitching prospect in baseball and would absolutley dominate for the blue jays today... road or home games.

 

Thats like saying Harvey is giving up too many runs and needs more seasoning in the minors.

 

Players prone to giving up too many homeruns generally gets hammered at Rogers. Last thing we need is busts a kid's confidence. Why rush him? Give him a full year in Buffalo to mature his game. Giving up too many homeruns has cut down a lot of careers at Rogers Center.

[Pete_7]

Awesome line. Hutch coming back strong and Stroman are the only really interesting things to watch (maybe Pillar) in the high minors right now.

 

I'm keeping an eye on Drabek. I believe the stuff is there but the walks killed him. Seems to be walking people way less since his return

[GD]

Stroman is probably ready now, lol. It's just the HRs I'm concerned about, although DDG's post kinda eased my concerns a little. It's an issue I've always had with him, though, I vaguely remember KLaw suggesting it could be problematic for him. He's definitely one of my favorite prospects though, I'd welcome him into the rotation right now. Definitely needs at least an AAA promotion.

[Pete_7]

"Drabek holds a 2.55 ERA and 23/4 K/BB ratio over 24 2/3 rehab innings as he works his way back from Tommy John surgery"

 

Damn......that looks good.

 

Yeah, and his fastball seems to consistently be 94-95. For me, all I need to do is think back to his starts last year vs NYY, Texas, Boston and that showed me he had the stuff, just needs to harness it

 

http://wapc.mlb.com/play/?content_id=21496729&c_id=mlb

[Sparky12]

"Drabek holds a 2.55 ERA and 23/4 K/BB ratio over 24 2/3 rehab innings as he works his way back from Tommy John surgery"

 

Damn......that looks good.

Wow that's impressive, can't give up on him quite yet, I'm hoping we leave at least one rotation spot open for competition between Hutch, Drabek, Stroman.

[Pete_7]

Rotation last year with Romero-Morrow-Alvarez-Drabek-Hutchison was doing fairly well till the injuries hit. Bullpen was the big problem last year. Didn't we have a streak into June last year where we never had a starter go fewer than 5 innings? Far cry from this season

[Sparky12]

Rotation last year with Romero-Morrow-Alvarez-Drabek-Hutchison was doing fairly well till the injuries hit. Bullpen was the big problem last year. Didn't we have a streak into June last year where we never had a starter go fewer than 5 innings? Far cry from this season

Very true, I'm excited to have Stroman , Hutch, and Drabek as options next year, if we've learned anything from the past 2 seasons depth with be key

[eastcoastjaysfan]

If Drabek can just stay NEAR the zone he'll be effective.

 

Just go back to what made you effective. Stop throwing so many cutters and start throwing that great breaking ball.

[dineke]

Yuck Drabek... not looking forward to seeing him pitch for the jays again.

[Arkadium]

 

Yaaaaaaaaa!

[Angrioter]

Hutchison is good, a new star is born.

[Arkadium]

Hutch gives up Grand Slam in the 2nd to Melky Mesa.....

[G-Snarls]

Goddamit

 

We can't win with pitching

[GD]

Hutch gives up Grand Slam in the 2nd to Melky Mesa.....

 

He's on rehab and took a big jump from AA to AAA, could care less

[P2F]

He's on rehab and took a big jump from AA to AAA, could care less

 

You could care less?