Gregg Zaun on Tim & Sid's show: Jays should be sellers at the Trade Deadline

[oakville69]

Zaun was on Tim & Sid's show at 3 pm on June 13th.

 

https://itunes.apple.com/ca/podcast/tim-and-sid/id488721911

 

He was very candid & said the Jays should be sellers at the deadline if they are not in a playoff race.

 

Specifically, he said the Jays should move Johnson,Buerhle , JPA, Lawrie Izturis, Rajai Davis, & a player who can't bunt & plays sloppy defense. ( Boneface?)

 

Zaun said Bret Lawrie should hit 270 with 20 HR's.

 

Davis could be a useful a 4th OF for a playoff team

 

Tim & Sid said that JPA & Lawrie have low trade value now.

 

Zaun said Lawrie isn't producing, has attitude & behavior problems.

 

Zaun was upset with the errors the Jays were bad at playing sound fundamental baseball.

 

 

I doubt AA would trade all these players, but Johnson is the most likely to go.

[Laika]

Not selling. If anything, he'll be buying.

[havok24]

Aaron Sanchez will be moved for some gas can bullpen arm or fringe #5 SP.

[Caper]

Jays can do both.... The bullpen is so god damn deep, they have pieces to flip. Detroit can't win with the garbage they have in the pen.

[dineke]

Aaron Sanchez will be moved for some gas can bullpen arm or fringe #5 SP.

 

Aaron Sanchez for Chase Utley.

[jaysfaithful8]

It would be nice if he could find a trade that would send Johnson out the door for a pitching prospect that is about a year away / who could help us next year. Can't think of a scenario off-hand that would work for that, though.

[Caper]

Aaron Sanchez will be moved for some gas can bullpen arm or fringe #5 SP.

 

Really? They have one of the best and deepest pens in baseball and they are going to trade a top prospect for a gas can bullpen arm?

[Caper]

Our bullpen has the 3rd-worst xFIP in the AL.

 

Our pen is awesome.

[havok24]

Don't be crazy... he'll be moved for Ethier.

 

That seems more likely to happen. Actually, it's only a matter of time when it happens.

[GD]

Casey Janssen and Brett Cecil are awesome.

 

FTFY. Our pen hasn't been great.

[Caper]

FTFY. Our pen hasn't been great.

 

No it's been awesome. Wagner has been very good. Delabar has been very good. Loup has been very good. Juan Perez has been very good.

[dineke]

Tim and Sid is a horrible radio show.

[Stangstag]

It's ok as far as pens go.

 

Those numbers are skewed by some of the garbage guys we were throwing out earlier.

[Caper]

Those numbers are skewed by some of the garbage guys we were throwing out earlier.

 

I think that's what you will find as well.

[GD]

No it's been awesome. Wagner has been very good. Delabar has been very good. Loup has been very good. Juan Perez has been very good.

 

Delabar and Wagner have xFIPs over 4. I'm still waiting and seeing on Perez. Oliver, 4.34 xFIP. Lincoln's been horrible. Rogers was bad. (was)

 

We haven't been bad but we aren't awesome. Loup, Janssen and Cecil are our only consistent quality relievers.

[Chappy]

Those numbers are skewed by some of the garbage guys we were throwing out earlier.

 

Yeah, overall this is a pretty solid pen. Janssen, Cecil, Loup and Delabar is a pretty solid back of the pen and Wagner looks like he may be another one if he can continue the way he has. Perez has been good too but I think his wildness is going to catch up to him.

[GD]

Those numbers are skewed by some of the garbage guys we were throwing out earlier.

 

Not particularly.

 

http://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?pos=all&stats=rel&lg=all&qual=10&type=8&season=2013&month=0&season1=2013&ind=0&team=14&rost=0&age=0&filter=&players=0

 

If you limit it to min 10 IP it's still not amazing.

[Caper]

Delabar and Wagner have xFIPs over 4. I'm still waiting and seeing on Perez. Oliver, 4.34 xFIP. Lincoln's been horrible. Rogers was bad. (was)

 

We haven't been bad but we aren't awesome. Loup, Janssen and Cecil are our only consistent quality relievers.

 

 

Delabar has been very good this year.... Wagner hasn't had a huge sample... but I'm very comfortable seeing him come into a game.

[ElNik2013]

Zaun was on Tim & Sid's show at 3 pm on June 13th.

 

https://itunes.apple.com/ca/podcast/tim-and-sid/id488721911

 

He was very candid & said the Jays should be sellers at the deadline if they are not in a playoff race.

 

Specifically, he said the Jays should move Johnson,Buerhle , JPA, Lawrie Izturis, Rajai Davis, & a player who can't bunt & plays sloppy defense. ( Boneface?)

 

Zaun said Bret Lawrie should hit 270 with 20 HR's.

 

Davis could be a useful a 4th OF for a playoff team

 

Tim & Sid said that JPA & Lawrie have low trade value now.

 

Zaun said Lawrie isn't producing, has attitude & behavior problems.

 

Zaun was upset with the errors the Jays were bad at playing sound fundamental baseball.

 

 

I doubt AA would trade all these players, but Johnson is the most likely to go.

 

 

Zaun praised the trades when they were made. I heard him compare JPA to Mike Piazza. I could see JJ or Buehrle being traded if a team offers something good, but Buehrle's contract makes him hard to move although the Blue Jays did get 8M from the Marlins if I remember correctly. I could see AA trading a couple of BP arms, hopefully for a young 2B.

[GD]

Delabar has been very good this year.... Wagner hasn't had a huge sample... but I'm very comfortable seeing him come into a game.

 

But Delabar hasn't been great this year, lol, he's been decent.

[Caper]

But Delabar hasn't been great this year, lol, he's been decent.

 

We will have to disagree..I said he was very good.... and he has gotten better since he started.

[Abomination]

Delabar and Wagner have xFIPs over 4. I'm still waiting and seeing on Perez. Oliver, 4.34 xFIP. Lincoln's been horrible. Rogers was bad. (was)

 

I think it's only fair to point out that since 2002, mlb relievers on average have outperformed their xFIP every single year (correspondingly starters underperformed it)

 

http://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?pos=all&stats=rel&lg=all&qual=0&type=8&season=2013&month=0&season1=2002&ind=0&team=0,ss&rost=0&age=0&filter=&players=0

[Abomination]

It's also interesting to see the increase in k rate for relievers over the last 10 years, and the sharp reduction in walks over the last 3 years or so.

[HERPDERP]

FTFY. Our pen hasn't been great.

 

Lets forget Loup..

[GD]

Lets forget Loup..

 

He hasn't been on *that* level.

[G-Snarls]

Tim and Sid is a horrible radio show.

 

But they have that funny horn!

[dineke]

But they have that funny horn!

 

It's ridiculous they get paid for spending 3 hours attempting unfunny jokes and reading tweets.

 

My co-worker blasts it daily and I swear I lose 3 IQ points after each show.

[kgm1]

Not a hope in hell AA moves all those guys and he knows that . That is just Zaun being Zaun . I think he wants to be the baseball version of Don cherry .

 

What makes sense is moving Johnson ( IF he is pitching well ) and Oliver , Davis and any reliever out of the core .. If JJ and Oliver were pitching really well I can see them getting a pretty good prospect from St Louis for them Kolten Wong ?? . Again they would have to be back pitching great.

[kgm1]

lets be fair gordie D , for a hugely overworked pen , it has been pretty decent and while they may be way over performing their FIP the huge workload could be the cause . I like the pen as it is and can see them lowering that FIP if their workload decreases .

[Boxcar]

Tim and Sid is a horrible radio show.

 

Not sure if srs.

 

Wow, people actually dislike Tim and Sid? I find that surprising.