Trade Thread 2013

[G-Snarls]

If we are in spitting distance of the wild card spots or in there at the deadline, he would only trade for MLB caliber players that fill an area of need. 2B, SP being the obvious targets.

 

If we are sunk and 12 games out at that point he will deal every last-year-of-contract player we have if he can get something decent in return (Johnson and Oliver are the obvious ones)

[Abomination]

With the value coming back in terms of pitchers returning from injuries, it's okay to take a slight downgrade. Who knows? Gose may provide a lot of value with just defense and baserunning.

 

No, unless you are giving up on the season you make in season trades to make your team better, not take net downgrades. That is the kind of thing that can mean the difference between making the postseason and missing by a game or two. If we're trading Rasmus or JJ (for example), we need something like a 2nd/3rd baseman coming back who is either established or a legit ready prospect. From Detroit guys like Castellanos, Smyly, Avila would make sense for example (probably involving Janssen there).

[G-Snarls]

How nice would it be if Santos was healthy and pitching well, then we could happily trade him or Janssen to the highest bidder.

 

#DombrowskiNeedsAClozer

[G-Snarls]

If we trade Janssen (and I'm down with it FOR THE RIGHT RETURN) who would Gibby likely use most in the 9th?

 

Hopefully not Delabar - "closer stuff" but he walks too many

 

Prob not Cecil even though he is the best in the BP with Casey gone

 

Wagner would maybe get a go at it but he's so new in the majors

 

Again, having Sergio "Sixty Day" Santos would be nice in this situation

[GD]

No, unless you are giving up on the season you make in season trades to make your team better, not take net downgrades. That is the kind of thing that can mean the difference between making the postseason and missing by a game or two. If we're trading Rasmus or JJ (for example), we need something like a 2nd/3rd baseman coming back who is either established or a legit ready prospect. From Detroit guys like Castellanos, Smyly, Avila would make sense for example (probably involving Janssen there).

 

I see your point 100%, I do disagree with it, but I see it, so I'll disagree to disagree, because it's a fair point.

 

Avila is a good option, I did bring him up earlier, all of those guys, honestly. Castellanos would be nice at 3B/2B/RF, Smyly or Porcello would look great in our rotation, and Avila would be great.

[fatcowxlive]

If we trade Janssen (and I'm down with it FOR THE RIGHT RETURN) who would Gibby likely use most in the 9th?

 

Hopefully not Delabar - "closer stuff" but he walks too many

 

Prob not Cecil even though he is the best in the BP with Casey gone

 

Wagner would maybe get a go at it but he's so new in the majors

 

Again, having Sergio "Sixty Day" Santos would be nice in this situation

 

I wouldn't be surprised if he goes with matchups until a solid piece/Santos arise. Probably between Oliver and Delebar. I am so down to trade Jannsen at the deadline, this is his highest trade value point. Closers are nice to have, but are valued at waaaaaaaaaaaaay more than they are worth. Some people trade everyday position players for a closer *cough*LowrieForMelancon*cough*. A package of Lind + Janssen to the right person can land something BIG.

[G-Snarls]

I wouldn't be surprised if he goes with matchups until a solid piece/Santos arise. Probably between Oliver and Delebar. I am so down to trade Jannsen at the deadline, this is his highest trade value point. Closers are nice to have, but are valued at waaaaaaaaaaaaay more than they are worth. Some people trade everyday position players for a closer *cough*LowrieForMelancon*cough*. A package of Lind + Janssen to the right person can land something BIG.

 

Gasp! We need to keep Lind.

 

Can't believe I'm saying that but he's creating runs all the time with no Reyes and no Lawrie in the lineup

 

Plus, I'm not sure most GM's would look at Lind and trust that he will keep this up. May not value him that highly due to the 2 bad years

[GD]

I wouldn't be surprised if he goes with matchups until a solid piece/Santos arise. Probably between Oliver and Delebar. I am so down to trade Jannsen at the deadline, this is his highest trade value point. Closers are nice to have, but are valued at waaaaaaaaaaaaay more than they are worth. Some people trade everyday position players for a closer *cough*LowrieForMelancon*cough*. A package of Lind + Janssen to the right person can land something BIG.

 

I wonder what Lind/Janssen to the A's could land us.

[fatcowxlive]

Gasp! We need to keep Lind.

 

Can't believe I'm saying that but he's creating runs all the time with no Reyes and no Lawrie in the lineup

 

Plus, I'm not sure most GM's would look at Lind and trust that he will keep this up. May not value him that highly due to the 2 bad years

 

.396 BABIP scares me. This is another James Loney case. When his BABIP fell from .400 to .316 (now) his BA fell from .360+ to .307.... Lind is going to regress and I'd much rather him regress on another team while we enjoy our payment for cashing in. FA year + option/buyout = very costly to own him past the deadline

 

I wonder what Lind/Janssen to the A's could land us.

 

Dealing with Beane? I don't like that lol, you might get burned. I think the A's could care less about a closer, Balfour is phenomenal and they have Cook + Blevens as setup men... also their 1B is Brandon Moss and although Moss can play the OF, it's stacked with Cespedes, Crisp, Young, Smith, and Reddick

 

I wonder what the Brewers want for that package? 9th in team blown saves, and Janssen can help stabilize the 'pen. Also they have the lowest fWAR in the majors at 1B (-2.9!). Another candidate is the Mets (8th in team BS and 2nd lowest 1B fWAR), but given that they're not chasing playoffs and they raped us in the Dickey trade, I doubt anything happens

[Angrioter]

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Dodgers, Cardinals (lol), White Sox, Nats, not many teams. A good fit could be Cincy though. Move Choo to LF. Maybe for Bailey?

 

Bailey is a good #2 starter (2.68 FIP, 3.04 xFIP) no way they do that. Maybe for Mike Leake once he cools down. The other teams you mention already have full-time guys they're not giving up on. The Rays could use Rasmus and have a bunch of excess starters.

Get 'er done AA! Hedges is somewhat expendable for the Padres and is everything we need. And he has The Good Face.

 

Jays Fans wise offer #1 - Rasmus for Hedges + Jeudy Valdez

Jays Fans wise offer #2 - Rasmus + Nolin for Grandal

 

AA offer - Rasmus for Thayer + Stauffer

[KSaw]

I just actually read this entire thread. Guys, gotta say-- AA and the brass really think they've got lots of season to go and will probably still try to win now! Davis is leaving as a free agent and Gose should be able to step into his role this year. There's a trade chip that doesn't take away from the club this year. There's also a surplus of decent bullpen arms and you don't need to move Janssen to get value. Bonifacio is a bum IMO but Atlanta still like him, as do the Phillies. God knows why? Arencibia? If there are takers-- absolutely! Thole can play.

 

I don't even think that they move JJ, at least not before the non waiver deadline. He'll get a qualifying offer for the pick or be dealt late, late after clearing waivers.

[Abomination]

I don't even think that they move JJ, at least not before the non waiver deadline. He'll get a qualifying offer for the pick or be dealt late, late after clearing waivers.

 

There's pretty much zero chance he would clear waivers.

[kgm1]

Hate to burst everybody,s bubble but the padres do it the other way . they trade the expensive guys like Rasmus for the young kids . Sure Hedges is expendable to them with grandal there but if they move him it will be for a guy that has 5 or 6 years control and is dirt cheap . No way they take on Rasmus,s (expect 7 mil) contract

[kgm1]

Cincy has ludwick coming back after the AS break and Heisley soon but Choo is no CF . Still They will take what they can get out of Robinson till those guys come back . Not a hope in hell they move any of their MLB rotation . Prospects maybe

[KSaw]

There's pretty much zero chance he would clear waivers.

 

I think that you'd be amazed at some of the players who clear waivers every year.

[DuckDuckGose]

Cincy has ludwick coming back after the AS break and Heisley soon but Choo is no CF . Still They will take what they can get out of Robinson till those guys come back . Not a hope in hell they move any of their MLB rotation . Prospects maybe

 

I'd take Hanigan off their hands...

[Abomination]

I think that you'd be amazed at some of the players who clear waivers every year.

 

It'll help more guys clear now that compensation isn't allowed on guys who switch teams mid year, but there's no way JJ makes it through. He doesn't have a long term contract, doesn't have an overly high priced contract, and is a potential difference maker late in the season regardless of the way he's pitching right now. Someone in contention would claim him just to block other teams even if they didn't really need him themselves.

[kgm1]

Or Mesoraco . but I think Cincy will only tweak their roster now that Cueto is back . Now if JJ suddenly had ACE stuff and showed it for 4 or 5 starts he may interest them ,especially if you basically told them and the cards that it was between them so push your best offer up now cause he is going to one of you .

 

Moot point now since I have to agree with chappy and others that AA won't deal for prospects . he'll be adding not subtracting

[KSaw]

I did originally mean if but he could clear. I really think that AA holds onto him tbh.

 

As for trades-- here is a thought. Ivan de Jesus Jr. has really found the bat he was expected to have. Problem is that while he is crushing the ball for Indy, the Pirates are very convinced that he is a 2b/3b only and is not a MLB shortstop. He has no future in Pittsburgh at either position but he is generally considered to be a MLB ready power hitting 2b. The Pirates and Bonifacio aren't a bad fit and another bullpen arm wouldn't kill them either. Just a thought.

[kgm1]

It'll help more guys clear now that compensation isn't allowed on guys who switch teams mid year, but there's no way JJ makes it through. He doesn't have a long term contract, doesn't have an overly high priced contract, and is a potential difference maker late in the season regardless of the way he's pitching right now. Someone in contention would claim him just to block other teams even if they didn't really need him themselves.

 

First he has to stay healthy and start pitching decent or no one would claim him . Then the offer would have to be better than the comp pick . Then if he was claimed for blocking reasons you try do a deal with that team and if it isn't good just pull him back.

[KSaw]

Izturis might also be of interest. Mercer is expected to be all they have with any MLB experience at short going into next year.

[kgm1]

I did originally mean if but he could clear. I really think that AA holds onto him tbh.

 

As for trades-- here is a thought. Ivan de Jesus Jr. Has really found the bat he was expected to have. Problem is that while he is crushing the ball for Indy, the Pirates are very convinced that he is a 2b/3b only and is not a MLB shortstop. He has no future in Pittsburgh at either position but he is generally considered to be a MLB ready power hitting 2b. The Pirates and Bonifacio aren't a bad fit and another bullpen arm wouldn't kill them either. Just a thought.

 

Well we have excess BP arms but de Jesus must surely be out of options . His development was delayed by injury so he just might be finally coming into his own. Pirates will probably be focusing on a short term starter

[KSaw]

Well we have excess BP arms but de Jesus must surely be out of options . His development was delayed by injury so he just might be finally coming into his own. Pirates will probably be focusing on a short term starter

 

He is not on their 40-man roster.

[KSaw]

And yes, they could use a starter. Even Chad Jenkins would be an upgrade for them right now but that wouldn't be a fit for Toronto. If AA actually decided that he wanted de Jesus, it would be to start at 2b. He'd want to move Bonifacio or Izturis and get a return. Perhaps Ivan Jr + prospect for Bonifacio + Jenkins/Rogers, depending on the kid.

[kgm1]

And yes, they could use a starter. Even Chad Jenkins would be an upgrade for them right now but that wouldn't be a fit for Toronto. If AA actually decided that he wanted de Jesus, it would be to start at 2b. He'd want to move Bonifacio or Izturis and get a return. Perhaps Ivan Jr + prospect for Bonifacio + Jenkins/Rogers, depending on the kid.

 

Interesting that he isn't on their 40 man . I would think it would be Bonifacio for DeJesus + but they would probably want Izturis . They have a need at short . As for their starters they have Cole and Tallion , they are just too cheap to start their clocks . They want a solid starter (Cheap ) that is on a 1 year deal A Josh Johnson but won't happen

[Caper]

I would be looking to trade Jannsen. He's out best pitcher, but I think he brings the biggest return.