JPA Troll Post

[Angrioter]

Delmon Young < Francouer << Betancourt

[Angrioter]

You'll probably find a table from fangraphs for 2011.

 

http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/2011-wOBA-by-Position.png

 

 

http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/league-woba.png

[connorp]

+100000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000

 

He's exactly what we need, but we're not going to.

 

He's really not though. Yes, BC >> JPA but its not the point. $52m invested this season (as well as top prospects and solids fillers) in Dickey/Buehrle/Johnson/Romero/Morrow/Happ for a little over 1 WAR a third of the way into the season. Maybe JPA wont continue to not cost runs pitch framing this year but up to this point, it's all on the pitchers. Hate to be Captain Obvious but it's tough to gloss over that. Even minus JJ, with pay increases all those other guys are locked in next year for more than the $52m. I know that's where most of my frustration is as a fan. That's where the real GM'ing needs to happen. Not a FA signing as it is for a C with money that wont even be available.

 

All the projections have him as a 1-2 WAR guy this year. Not impossible that the framing numbers aren't a legit improvement from his rookie and 2nd season. You can see marked improvement on fangraphs for his D from what was an obviously atrocious rookie season behind the plate. No reason a person without bias cant take that into consideration. Realistically, you're looking at a below average C but one that makes 500k. I don't even like him that much but with all the problems this $120m team has, I don't look at spending $$ on that position until a number of other things happen. I also support having Thole as the platoon but seriously his D isn't that much better and I'm not excited about having a .066 ISO bat in a lineup that already has Boni/Izzy/Kawa in it. Not a good formula for runs.

 

For position players, I dislike Izzy (not to mention all other bench options) a lot more. 3/9 for replacement level at this point without anymore decline. I dislike Lind more. $7m next year for a platoon DH that OPS'd about .800 against RHP from 2010-2012. Eric Chavez was a superior option and he was worth $3m on the market. Each year we counted on his bat and got nothing. Thanks for tanking cock in April like everyone else (except for Reyes, JPA, and few others) and hitting when we were 10 games back. Will see how he finishes I guess. Also Lawrie I like a lot more personally but he's been a big disappointment with the bat. It's amplified with him because we all thought he was a franchise cornerstone (granted there is still plenty of time). Making it so you think the team needs to find another core piece somewhere to be a legit AL East contender.

 

At least JPA has gone into the year and done better than was expected (backed by stats) on what was supposed to be a playoff contender (if not division favorite). So I just don't see the validity of the portion of hate he gets on here this year.

[connorp]

Also JPA is batting a solid .186 (.186 obp as well) with risp with 1HR. Not bad for our 4/5 hitter!

 

And when a LHP throws, who are the superior options to hit 4th and 5th? Also, if youre counting on your 500k C to be the meat-and-potatoes of your lineup.. who was never anything close to a Mauer/Wieters/Posey type prospect.. it may be time to take a peak at your roster.

[Frenchsoup]

We have none i guess, but what really has been eating me up is jpa's game calling all year. 0-2 counts fastballs are being thrown in the zone. Here is a good example at the beginning of the year against robinson cano hes down 3-1 in the count and calls a mark buerhle fastball at 86mph on the inner half at yankee stadium with the short porch in left.... we were up 3-1 in the game and the only thing that kills us is a hr and instead of something away he feeds him, just stupid.

 

http://wapc.mlb.com/play/?content_id=26585035

[Frenchsoup]

And we all remember this beauty 1-2 count jpa calls for a fastball......... and look where he ends up setting up.....

 

http://wapc.mlb.com/play/?content_id=26501357

[connorp]

Bro..MB is a vet (like whole staff to start year)who makes $16m/yr this year. JPA is a glorified club hopper to him prob. MB shakes him off in blink of any eye if he wants. Save that blame for rookie/second year pitchers

[Frenchsoup]

i don't care jpa should know how to call a game for christ sakes.

[Stangstag]

Bro..MB is a vet (like whole staff to start year)who makes $16m/yr this year. JPA is a glorified club hopper to him prob. MB shakes him off in blink of any eye if he wants. Save that blame for rookie/second year pitchers

 

Buehrle has stated that he will never shake off the catcher

[connorp]

Ok. I would be suprised if thats always the case. Still. Not to play the "you dont understand baseball" card with anyone... But to assume any mlb C doesnt understand you dont throw 0-2 meatballs, as was being implied, is silly. This isnt little league. You can always see what youre looking for. Find the best battery in baseball and im sure there will be 0-2, 1-2 counts during the season where theres a bad pitch that gets hit. Maybe bad location, maybe there was deception where C was setting up and where it went, etc. I would rather listen to a more evolved criticism in terms of his game calling.

 

How to attack batters is something the P, C, and Coaches dicuss prior to the game as well

[Metallijay]

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/mlb/news/20130530/yadier-molina-cardinals-michael-wacha/?sct=hp_wr_a2&eref=sihp

 

We need a real catcher.

[IronLadle]

Why do people care more about our 500k catcher than our overpriced starting rotation? Who cost us valuable prospects.

[Dude]

Read the SI article posted above. Something can be done about the catcher position, exactly what can you do about our starting rotation at this point in the season except put them in a position to turn things around and bring their value back up.

[IronLadle]

What can be done about our catcher other than replace him Thole? Dickey won 20 games with Thole last year and still preferred Blanco, that tells you something about Thole.

[TheHurl]

Why do people care more about our 500k catcher than our overpriced starting rotation? Who cost us valuable prospects.

 

For me, he represents the mentality of our front office. I take my anger in them out in his smug yet enchanting smile.

[IronLadle]

I hate Dickey the most, cost us D'Arnaud and Syndergaard, 20 million dollars the next two years. Currently pitches to an ERA over 5, he's absolutely useless old man.

[kgm1]

Read the SI article posted above. Something can be done about the catcher position, exactly what can you do about our starting rotation at this point in the season except put them in a position to turn things around and bring their value back up.

 

I would say you hit the nail on the head except we don't have a starting rotation that has a large enough sample size of JPA catching them except for Buehrle and he did just as bad with Blanco catching him .

 

We all agree JPA is below average defensively and his strikeout to walk ratio must surely be the worst in baseball thus power seems his only redeeming quality but since we are 10.5 games back I would blame our defense(of which JPA is only one of 9) and rotation more than JPA . Still Blanco's veteran leadership hasn't got Dickey pitching well and the team winning so why not call up Thole and open up a 40 man roster spot .

[o2cui2i]

I hate Dickey the most, cost us D'Arnaud and Syndergaard, 20 million dollars the next two years. Currently pitches to an ERA over 5, he's absolutely useless old man.

 

no reason to hate Dickey. you would have signed that deal too. take your anger out on the person behind the contract.

[o2cui2i]

I would say you hit the nail on the head except we don't have a starting rotation that has a large enough sample size of JPA catching them except for Buehrle and he did just as bad with Blanco catching him .

 

We all agree JPA is below average defensively and his strikeout to walk ratio must surely be the worst in baseball thus power seems his only redeeming quality but since we are 10.5 games back I would blame our defense(of which JPA is only one of 9) and rotation more than JPA . Still Blanco's veteran leadership hasn't got Dickey pitching well and the team winning so why not call up Thole and open up a 40 man roster spot .

 

time to start try outs for next year now. no reason to keep s***** players just so that AA doesn't lose face. lol at this point that's the last thing he should be worrying about, but he doesn't seem to get that players care more about winning and money more than the promises to play bad players even if they are s***.

 

they can trade JJ at the trade deadline if he can put up some good numbers between tomorrow and the deadline. boni and Izturis are worse than DeRosa who everyone hated preseason. he's done his job as the 25th man.

[GD]

TDA would look so purty behind the dish right now.

 

He'd probably be injured, but I think TDA missing a limb or two can probably protect the plate with two strikes and frame pitches more effectively than JPA.

[kgm1]

TDA would look so purty behind the dish right now.

 

He'd probably be injured, but I think TDA missing a limb or two can probably protect the plate with two strikes and frame pitches more effectively than JPA.

 

When was the last time TDA had an injury free season? I think he has to move positions to try and stay healthy

[GD]

When was the last time TDA had an injury free season? I think he has to move positions to try and stay healthy

 

It's pretty worrisome to say the least and it's why I was okay with the idea of trading him (not with Synder for Dickey), but I think he'll keep giving catching shots. Most of his injuries have been flukey.

[kgm1]

I want JJ ,Oliver ,Davis and Izturis to get healthy and moved and Blanco DFA,d to Buffalo , He'll go as he doesn't have better options . That would free up 5 roster spots. and save a few mil . If some play well we should net a decent prospect for JJ and a C type prospects for the others ,as long as they are playing to their average.

[Chappy]

I want JJ ,Oliver ,Davis and Izturis to get healthy and moved and Blanco DFA,d to Buffalo , He'll go as he doesn't have better options . That would free up 5 roster spots. and save a few mil . If some play well we should net a decent prospect for JJ and a C type prospects for the others ,as long as they are playing to their average.

 

Izzy won't net any prospects, and likely the same for Oliver at this point. Davis maybe if he can get back soon and get some playing time in. JJ is the only one in the group that we have any shot of getting anything decent from. At this point AA needs to strongly consider dealing him off at the deadline if it maximizes our return.

[kgm1]

Izzy won't net any prospects, and likely the same for Oliver at this point. Davis maybe if he can get back soon and get some playing time in. JJ is the only one in the group that we have any shot of getting anything decent from. At this point AA needs to strongly consider dealing him off at the deadline if it maximizes our return.

 

Oliver if pitching like he did last year should net a c type reliever prospect,as every team looks for relief help . Izzy isn't worth anything now because he isn't hitting and his glaring lack of range is showing up If he starts to hit and someone has an injury in the right senario we might get something if we eat a few mil.

[Chappy]

Oliver if pitching like he did last year should net a c type reliever prospect,as every team looks for relief help . Izzy isn't worth anything now because he isn't hitting and his glaring lack of range is showing up If he starts to hit and someone has an injury in the right senario we might get something if we eat a few mil.

 

If someone want's to take Izzy and his contract sure, but he doesn't make anything too significant and if were eating half his contract, then he is probably worth the half were paying for anyways. AA is going to have to get creative to clear some salary.

[kgm1]

Vik , Izturis ,or Boni need to be traded not only to clear salary but Kawasaki is a better option ,makes the minimum has better range , works counts and while his bat isn't as good his OBP is . I like Boni in spite of his terrible defense better than Izturis however he nets way more in a trade

[Chappy]

Vik , Izturis ,or Boni need to be traded not only to clear salary but Kawasaki is a better option ,makes the minimum has better range , works counts and while his bat isn't as good his OBP is . I like Boni in spite of his terrible defense better than Izturis however he nets way more in a trade

 

I agree with you Ken. I have been saying all along that Kawasaki needs to stick when Reyes returns. If we could just give Izzy away that would work well, but your right in that Boni should have the better trade value, and he should probably be the one to go.

[Doc]

“For me, I’ll strike out however many times if at the end of the year you’re sitting there with 30 home runs and 100 RBIs.”

 

Should just have a J.P. quote thread, he's a walking comedy show.

[crrr]

BUMP

 

71K 5BB

0.236 OBP

0.287 wOBA

-4 fielding runs

0.1 WAR

 

How far below replacement-level would he be with framing considered?

 

It was certainly a wise prediction that he would get to 0.3 before one.