JPA Troll Post

[BlueJayWay]

JPA on the road this year: .132/.171/.208

[eastcoastjaysfan]

JPA on the road this year: .132/.171/.208

 

Rofl Wow

 

Imagine what he'd be hitting if he played for a club like Seattle or San Diego

[CHRIS]

JPA on the road this year: .132/.171/.208

 

#2013AllIn #Top10???

[connorp]

With his OPS under .700, JPA really has nothing left to hang his hat on. Nothing.

 

This is true. I think even in the team's eyes Thole will have a legit chance to get more playing time. I don't think he will step up but we shall see.

[sachmo55]

Why do Dan Haren, Wade LeBlanc, Mike Leake, Daniel Hudson, Carlos Zambrano, Jon Niese, Yovanni Gallardo, and Derek Lowe have in common? They're all pitchers and they also have higher OBP's since 2010 than JPA does in 2013.

 

JPA: 2.6% walk rate, 32.4% k rate,

Pitchers hitting (league wide): 2.8% walk rate, 36.6% k rate

 

Let that sink in a little

[Laika]

This is just sad at this point.

 

We were all hoping he would at least get marginally better. Just OBP .300 or something like that. But no, he somehow got worse.

 

And the saddest thing is that he's not even close to being Toronto's worst every day player. Maicer Izturis, please stand up.

 

Equally sad, Toronto's top four pitchers in fWAR right now: Cecil, Janssen, Juan Perez, Delabar.

 

f***. How can anyone even watch this team every night? I haven't watched back to back games, or a full game, in weeks.

[eastcoastjaysfan]

This is just sad at this point.

 

We were all hoping he would at least get marginally better. Just OBP .300 or something like that. But no, he somehow got worse.

 

And the saddest thing is that he's not even close to being Toronto's worst every day player. Maicer Izturis, please stand up.

 

Equally sad, Toronto's top four pitchers in fWAR right now: Cecil, Janssen, Juan Perez, Delabar.

 

f***. How can anyone even watch this team every night? I haven't watched back to back games, or a full game, in weeks.

 

I usually channel surf and check back periodically to see how they're doing. I completely forgot the game was on last night from innings 2-7. I think I was engrossed in the Chad Johnson ass-slap story on TMZ.

[Metallijay]

JPA: 2.6% walk rate, 32.4% k rate,

Pitchers hitting (league wide): 2.8% walk rate, 36.6% k rate

 

Let that sink in a little

 

hahaha wow, that's just......embarassing.

[GD]

JPA 2013 OBP = John McDonald's career AVG

 

What do Dan Haren, Wade LeBlanc, Mike Leake, Daniel Hudson, Carlos Zambrano, Jon Niese, Yovanni Gallardo, and Derek Lowe have in common? They're all pitchers and they also have higher OBP's since 2010 than JPA does in 2013.

 

JPA: 2.6% walk rate, 32.4% k rate,

Pitchers hitting (league wide): 2.8% walk rate, 36.6% k rate

 

Let that sink in a little

 

Holy f***ing s***. Just wow. I don't know what language is extensive enough to describe my hate for JPA, but it sure as f*** isn't English.

[kgm1]

can someone please start tweeting that to JPA , Every frigging day. If a bunch do it he will have a tough time blocking everyone . He is a disaster at the plate right now

[GD]

Hahaha, oh man. I don't think anyone else has posted this.

 

http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=697&position=C#value

 

Look at Arencibia's value. Notice anything? Literally ALL of his value comes from positional adjustment and playing time. His bat has been -6.9 RAA. AS AN ALL BAT CATCHER. His fielding is only at -4 RAA but that very well could be worse is pitch framing is ever accounted for.

 

This isn't new, either. He's never been a replacement level player with the bat, with the glove, or on the base paths. This year, he's been worth a combined -7.1 RAA. That's -(.7) fWAR. Without pitch framing numbers.

 

He honestly isn't even a worthy backup catcher at this point, I don't think.

[GD]

ESPN has him rated 5th best as a catching framer, how is this possible?

 

Sketchy pitch f/x data.

[GD]

I understand that, but how does this s*** get made public. Hurrrr.....Durrrrr....Folks are going to ride that coat-tail till the cows come home.

 

On the plus side, I doubt casual fans will know what pitch f/x is so I don't think it'll be used along with the "but he hits dingerz!" argument.

[GD]

Sorry to burst your bubble, you were quoting Above Average numbers and tried to convert to Above Replacement. -7.1 RAA converts to -0.7 WAA not WAR.

 

f***. I'm not the best at this stuff haha.

 

It's still s***, though, isn't it?

[GD]

Well think of RAA or WAA as how a player adds or subtracts from the team being .500, so negative brings the team lower.

 

I was asking if that's pretty s***** compared to other players. I've never really dabbled in runs above average or anything before.

 

I do know that -7 batting runs for an all-bat catcher is hilariously s*****, though.

[GD]

Just look at the value box at the end of the player's profile. It breaks down how WAR is determined. His wRAA is adjusted for replacement and position and then converted to WAR. His current Runs Above Replacement is 0.3 or 0.0 WAR. Theoretically a replacement AAA player is just as good as JPA (without framing accounted for).

 

Yeah, so he's still s***. A 0.0 WAR would be bottom 25 in the league, and the majority of those players (Kemp, Keppinger, Moustakas, etc) have at least had some degree of success previously. And if his framing continues the average of around -0.04312 runs/game, not unreasonable by any means, then he'd have accumulated -2.54408 runs, or about -(.2) WAR (on the year as well), which isn't a major league player.

[GD]

No he's definitely not major league calibre. Should be org filler at best. I'm convinced Jimenez or Nessy could outperform him right now. A .237 OBP doesn't belong anywhere in professional baseball except if you're a pitcher.

 

Jimenez is just getting over another injury, ugh. I think Nessy will be in Lansing (I think) this year, and that's not a fun park for hitters (not as bad for righties though). I wonder if Nickeas or Ochinko could outperform him.

[BabbaGanoush]

Yan f***ing Gomes sure as hell would

[GD]

Yan f***ing Gomes sure as hell would

 

So would Jeff Mathis or Yorvit Torrealba or Rod Barajas or Curtis Thigpen or Michael Barrett or Robizon Diaz.

 

f***, why did we have to trade our only good catcher in EVER?

[Sorrow]

http://blogs.thescore.com/djf/2013/06/12/defending-arencibia-just-wont-fly/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+DrunkJaysFans+%28DrunkJaysFans%29

 

Not sure if that was posted before, I got some nice chuckles.

[GD]

http://blogs.thescore.com/djf/2013/06/12/defending-arencibia-just-wont-fly/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+DrunkJaysFans+%28DrunkJaysFans%29

 

Not sure if that was posted before, I got some nice chuckles.

 

I can't read Stoeten anymore. I have no idea what happened to him, he's a raging homer right now. Thinks it's still too early to rule out making the playoffs.

 

Obviously, anything can happen, but when you're a condescending dick to people who rightly suggest this team is kinda f***ing about out of time, you're out of line.

[Sorrow]

I generally agree whole heartedly, this was more of getting mad about people being JPA apologists and giving off some idea that he's actually a good catcher. It was worth a read, he does a decent job of breaking down why he thinks that way about JPA.

[GD]

I figured this would be the best place to ask: Is there a cFIP (catcher FIP) stat?

[Wilnercibia]

Zaun wants him gone..

 

Thats right folks, the JPA support group is dwindling in numbers, almost the end of a horrible catcher era here in TO

[GD]

Well it's not hard to calculate, so there is one, but it's just as flawed as cERA since you're comparing different pitchers for each catcher.

 

I know, I just figured it'd be slightly better. I really want game calling to be quantifiable haha.

[IronLadle]

Jimenez is just getting over another injury, ugh. I think Nessy will be in Lansing (I think) this year, and that's not a fun park for hitters (not as bad for righties though). I wonder if Nickeas or Ochinko could outperform him.

 

Nickeas can't outperform Thole

[GD]

Nickeas can't outperform Thole

 

Nobody ever said that, did they?

[eastcoastjaysfan]

AFter another awful game, JPA:

 

.211/.233/.417 .650 OPS

 

Possibly finishes the season with a sub .600 OPS at this rate.

[Metallijay]

AFter another awful game, JPA:

 

.211/.233/.417 .650 OPS

 

Possibly finishes the season with a sub .600 OPS at this rate.

 

And dat Defense.

[CHRIS]

AFter another awful game, JPA:

 

.211/.233/.417 .650 OPS

 

Possibly finishes the season with a sub .600 OPS at this rate.

 

Interested to see what happens once his batting average dips below .200. For old school guys who "know baseball", the Mendoza line is a real thing.