GD Old-Timey Member Posted June 8, 2013 Posted June 8, 2013 How far below replacement-level would he be with framing considered? If you based it off his career averages, ~-.5 or -.6 fWAR.
eastcoastjaysfan Old-Timey Member Posted June 8, 2013 Posted June 8, 2013 We're very lucky JPA didn't just cost us this game with his defense. Throw in another 6 LOB for him and it's been a bad day. Another -.126 WPA
eastcoastjaysfan Old-Timey Member Posted June 8, 2013 Posted June 8, 2013 I.e. He's been the worst player in the game so far.... and we're winning!
eastcoastjaysfan Old-Timey Member Posted June 8, 2013 Posted June 8, 2013 lol He's so bad. Sorry -.135
Iluvbjs Verified Member Posted June 8, 2013 Posted June 8, 2013 Also JPA is batting a solid .186 (.186 obp as well) with risp with 1HR. Not bad for our 4/5 hitter! Yep, and this is the guy we want protecting our hottest hitter right now. Runners on first and third with 1 out and he's still pulling his head off and trying to yank everything into left. when all he has to do is hit a lazy fly ball to center field and it's 4-0. Ridiculous at how sickeningly bad this guy is at the basic fundamentals of this game. His pitch framing is amongst the worst I've ever seen and makes me laugh out loud at times. He stabs downwards and takes obvious pitch track strikes and get s his pitcher an automatic ball call. On top of that, I've never seen a pro who still cannot get down and block balls to his right whatsoever. He still doesn't even have the basic mechanics to alloow him to get into the proper position. I'm f***ing appalled at how this guy is allowed to play pro ball as a postion player.
HERPDERP Old-Timey Member Posted June 11, 2013 Posted June 11, 2013 JP just retweeted this http://mopupduty.com/statistically-speaking-j-p-arencibia-one-of-the-best-framing-catchers-in-mlb-061113/ y'all got destroyed!
Nox Verified Member Posted June 11, 2013 Posted June 11, 2013 Regress it to the mean with about 5000 pitches, incorporate with the past 3 seasons of data and our best estimate of JPA's true talent framing is not good. Especially when to the eye he looks like a piece of garbage (though admittedly there may be some confirmation bias there). So while this can't possibly be interpreted as bad news for JPA, nobody should be calling him a good or average framer yet.
Frenchsoup Verified Member Posted June 11, 2013 Posted June 11, 2013 The way Mark B pitches definately helps his numbers out 2, nibbling at the corners with a soft tosser is going to get you a lot of calls and easy to frame up.
TheHurl Site Manager Posted June 11, 2013 Posted June 11, 2013 I think we lost NJH's post in the upgrade. However I'd like to state that Buehrle was a negative just based on the raw data in Fast's study.
Arkadium Verified Member Posted June 11, 2013 Posted June 11, 2013 Ken Rosenthal @Ken_Rosenthal 5h Worst OBPs: Keppinger .234, Arencibia .238, Betancourt .247, Moustakas .249, Hicks .249, Dominguez .256, B.J. Upton .252, P. Alvarez .263. That's right folks, we'd be better off with Betancourt as our converted catcher!
eastcoastjaysfan Old-Timey Member Posted June 11, 2013 Posted June 11, 2013 Zaun just ripped JP a new one on PTS. I really hope we start to see more mainstream outlets turning ob this sack of s***.
Tuco Verified Member Posted June 11, 2013 Posted June 11, 2013 Cliffs? Both Zaun and Campbell on PTS Zaun basically saying JP doesnt know how to catch. Cox and Bob were asking if one of the symptons of this teams sloppy play are because of JP. Zaun was going off on this organizations ability to do fundamental things like bunt and slide. It's awesome to hear the talking heads around the team starting to speak out.
Tuco Verified Member Posted June 11, 2013 Posted June 11, 2013 I think Zaun is a moron, but its great that media is no longer hanging off JPA's/management's nuts. Zaun is pretty smart when he sticks to talking about the X's and O's of the game and clubhouse type stuff. He gets dumb when he trys to talk about things like prospects or trades.
Tuco Verified Member Posted June 11, 2013 Posted June 11, 2013 I missed the first part of the segment but apparently they were talking about possibly trading JP. The awesome part was that Jamie Campbell was joining in on the bashing too and hes usually a gross homer.
Chappy Community Moderator Posted June 11, 2013 Posted June 11, 2013 I bet JPA will start losing playing time to Thole. This time next year he is either on another team or backing Thole up.
GD Old-Timey Member Posted June 11, 2013 Posted June 11, 2013 Awesome to hear people in the media criticizing him.
BlueJayWay Verified Member Posted June 11, 2013 Posted June 11, 2013 I bet JPA will start losing playing time to Thole. This time next year he is either on another team or backing Thole up. Let's hope. This is overdue.
dineke Old-Timey Member Posted June 11, 2013 Posted June 11, 2013 @shidavidi: blue jays have signed JP Arencibia to a 5 year 30 million dollar contract per sources.
IronLadle Verified Member Posted June 11, 2013 Posted June 11, 2013 Does it really matter if J.P and Thole share catching duties? Neither are any good.
dineke Old-Timey Member Posted June 11, 2013 Posted June 11, 2013 http://lemmetweetthatforyou.com/t/4hg094
GD Old-Timey Member Posted June 11, 2013 Posted June 11, 2013 I almost died. Makes me wonder how you'll react when this actually happens. I assume you'll just become a Cardinals or Rays fan.
dineke Old-Timey Member Posted June 11, 2013 Posted June 11, 2013 I'm just preparing you guys for the inevitable.
Wilnercibia Verified Member Posted June 12, 2013 Posted June 12, 2013 This guy is a piece of s*** Holy f***ing hell 2 times this game runner on third with less than 2 outs, and he strikes out Worst f***ing player in the f***ing league
Pizzapops Verified Member Posted June 12, 2013 Posted June 12, 2013 Yeah...but he finally got a walk today! With two outs and nobody on.
eastcoastjaysfan Old-Timey Member Posted June 12, 2013 Posted June 12, 2013 JP's current line: .214/.237/424 75K/6BB Wouldn't be surprised to see the average below .200 and the SLG below .400 by month end.
CHRIS Verified Member Posted June 12, 2013 Posted June 12, 2013 JP's current line: .214/.237/424 75K/6BB Wouldn't be surprised to see the average below .200 and the SLG below .400 by month end. With his OPS under .700, JPA really has nothing left to hang his hat on. Nothing.
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