Selling sooner than later

[kgm1]

Could we maximize our returns by selling before the deadline ? I think we are almost at that point so if JJ can come back off the DL and pitch well then I believe he should be shopped.

 

Who would you be shopping and when . Unfortunately My list of JJ Davis , Oliver and Rasmus are mostly on the DL Not sure we can get anything for Izturis but Kawasaki has played way better

[IronLadle]

we would be selling low at this point, better to wait and hope some of these guys improve

[ElNik2013]

Could we maximize our returns by selling before the deadline ? I think we are almost at that point so if JJ can come back off the DL and pitch well then I believe he should be shopped.

 

Who would you be shopping and when . Unfortunately My list of JJ Davis , Oliver and Rasmus are mostly on the DL Not sure we can get anything for Izturis but Kawasaki has played way better

 

 

I'm all for selling since I wasn't for buying in the first place, at least not for buying the risky, expensive players they got. It would've been less hard to swallow if they didn't empty the farm for them, but it's too late now.

 

Sell baby, hopefully AA gets canned before 'cause he'll probably screw up the draft and the trades, but it won't happen.

[admin]

We won't sell. AA won't admit defeat. He'll ride this out.

[JaysFanToronto]

If JJ doesn't come back healthy and performing I don't think we'd get good value in a deal. I would just hang onto him and qualify him in the off season. I doubt any team is going to give up a pick for him if he doesn't pitch well, so that probably means he comes back, which is a good thing.

 

I think we could trade a reliever or two since they usually have pretty good value at the deadline. St. Louis is looking for some, maybe we can steal Kolton Wong or Matt Adams from them.

[Boxcar]

If this team is going to sell off parts, I don't want AA doing it. Fire him and let the new guy do it.

[Laika]

Could we maximize our returns by selling before the deadline?

 

As opposed to selling after the deadline? Probably.

 

It's a moot point though. Everyone except JJ is still here next year. They'll just chalk it up to "bad luck" or whatever, and give the ugly can another kick in 2014. Replacing Johnson with one of Hutch, Nolin. Or Sanchez in May, cuz Blue Jays.

[kgm1]

We won't sell. AA won't admit defeat. He'll ride this out.

 

Nah , He will sell just not until at the deadline which won't get us as much . still we can hope Oliver , Davis and JJ come off the DL and play lites out and Izturis starts to hit so we can get something back

[IronLadle]

If were planning on selling, then start with the big names, Oliver, Davis and Izturis will bring little returns

[theblujay]

Well ever since AA got here we kept on expecting him to sell of some bullpen pieces at the deadline. Didn't happen. If you remember last year we actually acquired some bullpen help with our prospects.

[Caper]

the team is in a tough spot right now. I think AA is the right guy to turn it around. Despite what arm chair gm's on here think. It's a tough job, putting together a winning team.

[mitchf]

the team is in a tough spot right now. I think AA is the right guy to turn it around. Despite what arm chair gm's on here think. It's a tough job, putting together a winning team.

You pretty much have to try in order to be this ignorant.

[GD]

You pretty much have to try in order to be this ignorant.

 

http://25.media.tumblr.com/89598a218da9fecb96f0a9f9b575c3b1/tumblr_mfp8971y771qclwico1_400.jpg

 

He's Greenwood's replacement.

[Caper]

You pretty much have to try in order to be this ignorant.

 

Really? What's the easy part about being a GM? Is it AAs fault Lawrie is hitting under .200? Or that Johnson is hurt? Or Reyes? AA put together a great team. If they don't live up to expectations... Then that's baseball it happens.

[Boxcar]

Really? What's the easy part about being a GM? Is it AAs fault Lawrie is hitting under .200? Or that Johnson is hurt? Or Reyes? AA put together a great team. If they don't live up to expectations... Then that's baseball it happens.

 

Johnson was bound to get hurt at some point. Both he and Reyes were injury risks and he failed to plan for their inevitable stints on the DL. If I were a GM, you can bet I'd be using every tool at my disposal, including stats, projections and advanced metrics. I'd be drafting baseball players, not athletes. I wouldn't be overreacting to tiny sample sizes. I wouldn't sign a useless POS for the bench just because he gives great pep talks.

[Iluvbjs]

It's just so hard to sell at this point but one thing is for sure, this team is a gigantic fail from top to bottom. If Dickey doesn't improve drastcally, we basically have no chance whasoever. He was putting up one hitters last year by this time, including against Baltimore. Less than a year later, the same team is shelling him to the point of embarassment.

 

We have a clean up guy in Lind who has what? 10 f***ing rbi's? A complete joke...a guy who comes up last night with 2 on and nobody out, and hits into a dp you can see coming from a mile away, killing the entire inning and momentum. After the O's put up two more insurance runs, he hits a f***ing useless bases empty homerun. Does this f***ing manager really think this team is going to compete with a dh that has 10 rbi? Or platooning JPA there with his 58k's and 2 walks?

 

Or wait!! We're supposed to wait for Jose Reyes to come back because he will save us?? Instead of plugging in a vastly improved Cecil to our rotation and finding help for the bullpen, he chooses to plug in Ramon f***ing Ortiz, Sean Nolin and whoever else? While JJ takes a familiar ride on the DL and Happ goes down? With 2 lefties like Loup and Oliver in the bp, why not inject Cecil to the rotation considering his experience and new found velocity? To add some f***ing stability maybe? Instead we recall Ricky f***in' Romero and insert these 40 something year old journeymen into a rotation of a team that was expected to compete?

 

The decisions since Reyes went down are nothing short of apalling and amateur. Not saying I'm some f***in' genius, but when you look at what this team has done instead, it's bordering on laughable. AA has allowed this team to stumble directionless to the point where a quarter of this season is DONE. What now? Wait til the halfway point? Till JJ comes back and says he's still rusty from being on the DL? Why not insert a guy like Cecil into our rotation right now in an attempt to regain some f***ing stability and when Happ comes back, he can take his walk per inning ass to the long man in the bullpen position and whine some more about not being allowed his "rightful" spot in the rotation. 50 games is more than enough to surmise that this ship isn't sailing the right way and s*** needs to change. Start by quitting to insert sloppy f***ing joes into the rotation in hopes of stopping the bleeding when you have a guy with experience and a fastball back at 92-94 who is capable of filling that bleeding f***ing hole. God this Gibbons hillbilly is a f***ing moron. Always was and still is.

[GD]

We have a clean up guy in Lind who has what? 10 f***ing rbi's? A complete joke...

 

No, this logic is what's a complete joke.

[Caper]

Johnson was bound to get hurt at some point. Both he and Reyes were injury risks and he failed to plan for their inevitable stints on the DL. If I were a GM, you can bet I'd be using every tool at my disposal, including stats, projections and advanced metrics. I'd be drafting baseball players, not athletes. I wouldn't be overreacting to tiny sample sizes. I wouldn't sign a useless POS for the bench just because he gives great pep talks.

 

I certainly agree with you on some points. Not having Thole up is a big mistake IMO... Who I would think at least deserves to be catching 50%. The theory seemed fine. But with the season where it is at, they should change course.

 

Do you really think the Jays signed Derrossa for his pep talks? He's a bench guy... I'm sure there may have been a better option, but the season is not lost because of a bench player.

[Boxcar]

I certainly agree with you on some points. Not having Thole up is a big mistake IMO... Who I would think at least deserves to be catching 50%. The theory seemed fine. But with the season where it is at, they should change course.

 

Do you really think the Jays signed Derrossa for his pep talks? He's a bench guy... I'm sure there may have been a better option, but the season is not lost because of a bench player.

 

Obviously they did, but yeah, it's not lost because of DeRosa. It is, however, a symptom of a bigger problem.

[Caper]

The biggest thing the Jays need right now is very very good 2nd baseman. They need Hech back from Miami he might have saved 3 runs today by being able to properly turn a dp... He can't hit... But his glove is what the Jays need.

[Iluvbjs]

No, this logic is what's a complete joke.

 

What logic is that? That we should expect that the guy we bat cleanup should have more than 10 rbi? Because in the A.L, it is beyond a joke and I've heard at least 2 dozen or more people at work saying the exact same thing. So I don't think I'm alone on this one at all.

[GD]

What logic is that? That we should expect that the guy we bat cleanup should have more than 10 rbi? Because in the A.L' date=' it is beyond a joke and I've heard at least 2 dozen or more people at work saying the exact same thing. So I don't think I'm alone on this one at all.[/quote']

 

It shouldn't need to be explained to you or other casuals at your workplace that RBIs are a flawed, situational statistic.

[Caper]

It shouldn't need to be explained to you or other casuals at your workplace that RBIs are a flawed, situational statistic.

 

Really? Why? Why should it not need to be explained to a casual fan why RBI's are a flawed statistic? I'm sure you had it explained to you.

 

Actually you couldn't be more wrong. It very much needs to be explained to casual fans why RBIs are a flawed stat. The stat is still held on very high regard and its a big reason why last years MVP won.

[GD]

Really? Why? Why should it not need to be explained to a casual fan why RBI's are a flawed statistic? I'm sure you had it explained to you.

 

Actually you couldn't be more wrong. It very much needs to be explained to casual fans why RBIs are a flawed stat. The stat is still held on very high regard and its a big reason why last years MVP won.

 

Meh, I don't like interacting with you, but I'll do it anyways.

 

RBIs are a flawed statistic because they are situationally dependent. A player's RBI numbers will be lower if the players batting in front of him can not get on base as much as they should, and they will be higher if you have better-OBP'ing teammates ahead of you. I'm also pretty sure that if you have a player with high RBI numbers or HR numbers in front of you, your RBI numbers will be lower as well. Such dependence on teammates is also a reason why ERA and WHIP are flawed statistic, though not in the same way, just based on being dependent.

 

http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/7948

[Caper]

Meh, I don't like interacting with you, but I'll do it anyways.

 

RBIs are a flawed statistic because they are situationally dependent. A player's RBI numbers will be lower if the players batting in front of him can not get on base as much as they should, and they will be higher if you have better-OBP'ing teammates ahead of you. I'm also pretty sure that if you have a player with high RBI numbers or HR numbers in front of you, your RBI numbers will be lower as well. Such dependence on teammates is also a reason why ERA and WHIP are flawed statistic, though not in the same way, just based on being dependent.

 

http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/7948

 

 

 

I didn't ask you the question, "Why are RBI's a flawed stat?"

 

I asked "Why should it not need to be explained to a casual fan why RBI's are a flawed statistic?"

 

Do you see the difference?

 

You said:

It shouldn't need to be explained to you or other casuals at your workplace that RBIs are a flawed, situational statistic.

 

I completely disagree with that notion. Even serious baseball fans give too much credit to the RBI stat. Miguel Cabrera won the MVP, in part because he produced the most RBI's. I listened to baseball players use that in their argument to support their argument over Mike Trout.

 

So the question is. If actual players and voters for MVP have a serious misconception of the RBI stat.... Why wouldn't the casual fan? And more importantly, why should they not have it explained to them?

[GD]

Do you see the difference?

 

I do, I just wasn't talking to you, I was acknowledging you said something but once again, I don't enjoy interacting you, so I picked a random line from this to quote to make this clear, and I'm not going bother reading the rest of your post.

[Caper]

I do, I just wasn't talking to you, I was acknowledging you said something but once again, I don't enjoy interacting you, so I picked a random line from this to quote to make this clear, and I'm not going bother reading the rest of your post.

 

If I were you I wouldn't enjoy talking to me either. If you stop making stupid posts.... then you will enjoy it more. You made a stupid statement. You could have acknowledged it... Or better yet, not make it in the 1st place. But I can understand you not wanting to be called out on stupid statements.

[GD]

If I were you I wouldn't enjoy talking to me either. If you stop making stupid posts.... then you will enjoy it more. You made a stupid statement. You could have acknowledged it... Or better yet, not make it in the 1st place. But I can understand you not wanting to be called out on stupid statements.

 

People who live in glass houses, man.

[Caper]

People who live in glass houses, man.

 

Fair enough. If you call me out on a stupid statement, I will defend, clairify or acknowledge... It happens.

[GD]

Fair enough. If you call me out on a stupid statement, I will defend, clairify or acknowledge... It happens.

 

Won't bother, you got your ass kicked enough last night on the playoff chance debate.

 

For the record, I never needed RBIs explained to me (meh I should have taken perspective), but I didn't realize that ERA and WHIP were flawed until a long while ago.