Boxcar Old-Timey Member Posted February 18, 2016 Posted February 18, 2016 If you could all stop s*** talking my next trade chip, that would be great Queen Felix suxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
BTS Community Moderator Posted February 18, 2016 Posted February 18, 2016 There are just SO many miles on that elbow. He's a 29 year old with the mileage of a 34 year old. 2K innings on the arm, arm troubles starting to creep up, and his fastball was hit harder than ever last year. I hope he's still dominant, because I love watching him, but there are some serious red flags now.
Dr. Dinger Old-Timey Member Posted February 18, 2016 Posted February 18, 2016 I'd also agree with all of these except I think Cueto will be much better than Rodon unless he gets his command together. Guy like him can really tank your K/bb on his bad days. He's a wildcard, for sure. The only thing I'm really banking on him for is about 180 punchouts, barring injury. The BB rate is probably never going to be great, but he did cut it substantially in the 2nd half (1st half 5.5 BB, 2nd half 3.7 BB). I pointed this out before, but it's easy to forget: Clayton Kershaw walked 4.5 BB/9 over his first two seasons. I trust Rodon's two plus-plus pitches, and hopefully in time he gets the control in check.
Dr. Dinger Old-Timey Member Posted February 18, 2016 Posted February 18, 2016 Rodon's rookie season actually compares favourably to Kershaw's across the board, although I think long-term he's more of a Liriano type.
Boxcar Old-Timey Member Posted February 18, 2016 Posted February 18, 2016 He's a wildcard, for sure. The only thing I'm really banking on him for is about 180 punchouts, barring injury. The BB rate is probably never going to be great, but he did cut it substantially in the 2nd half (1st half 5.5 BB, 2nd half 3.7 BB). I pointed this out before, but it's easy to forget: Clayton Kershaw walked 4.5 BB/9 over his first two seasons. I trust Rodon's two plus-plus pitches, and hopefully in time he gets the control in check. Sure but Kershaw would be an exception, not a rule. Most guys who have s***** command remain s***** though there's certainly tantalizing TOR potential in the event it happens. Randy Johnson didn't get his s*** together until he was what, 28?
Dr. Dinger Old-Timey Member Posted February 18, 2016 Posted February 18, 2016 Sure but Kershaw would be an exception, not a rule. Most guys who have s***** command remain s***** though there's certainly tantalizing TOR potential in the event it happens. Randy Johnson didn't get his s*** together until he was what, 28? I think in the long-run his BB/9 will settle in around 3.5-3.8, since he doesn't have a long track record of having super s***** command. I think the 1st half was more a matter of debut jitters and not trusting his stuff enough against MLB hitters.
Captain Adama Old-Timey Member Posted February 18, 2016 Posted February 18, 2016 Rodon's rookie season actually compares favourably to Kershaw's across the board, although I think long-term he's more of a Liriano type. I think you're gonna be right.
Boxcar Old-Timey Member Posted February 18, 2016 Posted February 18, 2016 Liriano would be a decent outcome.
Dr. Dinger Old-Timey Member Posted February 18, 2016 Posted February 18, 2016 Liriano would be a decent outcome. I love Liriano, such an underrated fantasy pitcher IMO. Just racks up those Ks. If I had to pick one of Liriano or Quintana (for example, just because I think he gets way more love) for 2016, I would take Frankie hands down.
BTS Community Moderator Posted February 18, 2016 Posted February 18, 2016 Last three years: Quintana = 519 Ks, 3.41 K/BB Liriano = 543 Ks, 2.54 K/BB
Dr. Dinger Old-Timey Member Posted February 18, 2016 Posted February 18, 2016 Last three years: Quintana = 519 Ks, 3.41 K/BB Liriano = 543 Ks, 2.54 K/BB ERA/xFIP over the last two seasons is virtually identical, Liriano has the edge in K/9 and GB rate. Quintana has put up more IP, which is great. If Liriano hadn't missed 50 IP in 2014, the Ks wouldn't be close. They're very comparable in a redraft, as a dynasty asset no question Quintana is better. My point is that Quintana is a post-sleeper mancrush while Liriano is yesterday's news, despite the fact that Liriano is equally productive.
BTS Community Moderator Posted February 18, 2016 Posted February 18, 2016 ERA/xFIP over the last two seasons is virtually identical, Liriano has the edge in K/9 and GB rate. Quintana has put up more IP, which is great. If Liriano hadn't missed 50 IP in 2014, the Ks wouldn't be close. They're very comparable in a redraft, as a dynasty asset no question Quintana is better. My point is that Quintana is a post-sleeper mancrush while Liriano is yesterday's news, despite the fact that Liriano is equally productive. I'd probably give a slight edge to Liriano in a re-draft, but he feels a lot riskier than Quintana.
Dr. Dinger Old-Timey Member Posted February 18, 2016 Posted February 18, 2016 I'd probably give a slight edge to Liriano in a re-draft, but he feels a lot riskier than Quintana. Oh probably. For whatever reason I just can't get excited for Quintana, he just feels like he's been more than the sum of his parts. But that's partly my pedigree bias at work, I have a deep-seeded mistrust for pitchers who I haven't heard of and then suddenly become really good.
Captain Adama Old-Timey Member Posted February 18, 2016 Posted February 18, 2016 Out of curiosity, can someone post Silvergun's roster? Is it that good?
Sammy225 Old-Timey Member Posted February 18, 2016 Posted February 18, 2016 lol, no Thats ok we will put you on suicide watch WHEN i finish higher then you this year.
Dr. Dinger Old-Timey Member Posted February 18, 2016 Posted February 18, 2016 Out of curiosity, can someone post Silvergun's roster? Is it that good? C - Lucroy 1B - EE 2B - Altuve 3B - Sano SS - Bogie CF - vacant OF - Cargo OF - JDM DH - Granderson BN - Bruce, Ramos SP1 - Scherzer SP2 - Kluber SP3 - Hamels SP4 - McHugh SP5 - ERod CL - Chapman CL - Jansen CL - McGee P - Rich Hill, McCarthy, J Nelson, Kelly, Skaggs, Gallardo He'll need to get a CF, but he has plenty of trade chips. Farm has Domingo Santana, Kepler, Snell, Dahl, G Sanch, Hader, Story.
BTS Community Moderator Posted February 18, 2016 Posted February 18, 2016 Thats ok we will put you on suicide watch WHEN i finish higher then you this year. We both know that this isn't going to happen.
Sammy225 Old-Timey Member Posted February 18, 2016 Posted February 18, 2016 We both know that this isn't going to happen. Your right..... We would not put you on a watch
BTS Community Moderator Posted February 18, 2016 Posted February 18, 2016 Your right..... We would not put you on a watch rekt
Sammy225 Old-Timey Member Posted February 18, 2016 Posted February 18, 2016 rekt Although i think its going to be a few years before anyone puts up a big fight for the division crown lol
BTS Community Moderator Posted February 18, 2016 Posted February 18, 2016 Although i think its going to be a few years before anyone puts up a big fight for the division crown lol The four of us can't even begin to consider wining the MC for the foreseeable future.
Sammy225 Old-Timey Member Posted February 18, 2016 Posted February 18, 2016 The four of us can't even begin to consider wining the MC for the foreseeable future. he could seriously have 4 people on DL and still walk away with it.
z3r0s Old-Timey Member Posted February 18, 2016 Posted February 18, 2016 Your 2017 (insert clever name)'s Predicted Finish; Somewhere between 14th and 10th, so I miss the lottery C - Travis d'Arnaud 1B - Justin Turner 2B - Dee Gordon 3B - Kyle (Don't call me Corey) Seager SS - Addison Russell CF - Arron Hicks OF - Wil Myers OF - Gregory Polanco Util - Mike Napoli BN - Billy Hamilton BN - Aaron Altherr BN - Alex Guerrero BN - Jon Singleton SP - Masahiro Tanaka SP - Yordano Ventura SP - James Paxton SP - John Lamb SP - Rafael Montero RP(/SP) - Aaron Sanchez RP - Andrew Miller RP - Jason Grilli RP - Pedro Strop RP - Antonio Bastardo RP - Randall Delgado RP - Alex Meyer
torontofan Verified Member Posted February 18, 2016 Posted February 18, 2016 ISO Roster C - Yan Gomes 1B - Paul Goldschmidt 2B - Jason Kipnis 3B - Matt Carpenter SS - Jhonny Peralta CF - Joc Pederson OF - Josh Reddick OF - Steven Souza Util - Ryan Zimmerman BN - Nori Aoki BN - Kiké Hernandez SP - Drew Smyly SP - Zack Wheeler SP - Anibal Sanchez SP - Kevin Gausman SP - Mat Latos SP - CJ Wilson SP - Mike Leake ?SP - Kris Medlen RP - Joakim Soria RP - Ryan Madson RP - Joe Smith RP - David Hernandez RP - Nick Vincent RP - Addison Reed
BTS Community Moderator Posted February 18, 2016 Posted February 18, 2016 ISO Roster C - Yan Gomes 1B - Paul Goldschmidt 2B - Jason Kipnis 3B - Matt Carpenter SS - Jhonny Peralta CF - Joc Pederson OF - Josh Reddick OF - Steven Souza Util - Ryan Zimmerman BN - Nori Aoki BN - Kiké Hernandez SP - Drew Smyly SP - Zack Wheeler SP - Anibal Sanchez SP - Kevin Gausman SP - Mat Latos SP - CJ Wilson SP - Mike Leake ?SP - Kris Medlen RP - Joakim Soria RP - Ryan Madson RP - Joe Smith RP - David Hernandez RP - Nick Vincent RP - Addison Reed That offense.
Captain Adama Old-Timey Member Posted February 18, 2016 Posted February 18, 2016 ISO Roster C - Yan Gomes 1B - Paul Goldschmidt 2B - Jason Kipnis 3B - Matt Carpenter SS - Jhonny Peralta CF - Joc Pederson OF - Josh Reddick OF - Steven Souza Util - Ryan Zimmerman BN - Nori Aoki BN - Kiké Hernandez SP - Drew Smyly SP - Zack Wheeler SP - Anibal Sanchez SP - Kevin Gausman SP - Mat Latos SP - CJ Wilson SP - Mike Leake ?SP - Kris Medlen RP - Joakim Soria RP - Ryan Madson RP - Joe Smith RP - David Hernandez RP - Nick Vincent RP - Addison Reed That's a really well rounded squad
Laika Community Moderator Posted February 19, 2016 Author Posted February 19, 2016 picked and emailed jaysblue
jaysblue Old-Timey Member Posted February 19, 2016 Posted February 19, 2016 Going for a long shot. Took Cory Luebke. Sent Sammy a PM.
Sammy225 Old-Timey Member Posted February 19, 2016 Posted February 19, 2016 Andrew Chafin. Maybe some cheap holds i don't know at this point lol
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