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Even Ethier could be interesting, since the Dodgers are apparently willing to eat half his contract.

 

He'd be the third best option of the three, but eh, sure.

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I'd probably put it Craig (if healthy) > Ethier > Victorino

 

Victorino > Craig (being realistic about his situation) >>> Ethier

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He's not even worth half his contract though. You have to assume Navarro would be a part of any such trade.

 

He consistently put up 2.5 to 3 war prior to last year. I don't know if he'll return to that or not, but I think whoever gets him is going to be really happy.

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Prediction: North is out, the other two are interested.

 

I wouldn't move Lackey for Craig either. Lackey is still really good.

 

Having said that, I would be open to moving an arm for him, depending on whom Dinger wants.

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I wouldn't move Lackey for Craig either. Lackey is still really good.

 

Having said that, I would be open to moving an arm for him, depending on whom Dinger wants.

 

I wouldn't say he's really good. He's good enough, he's adequate. He's above replacement level but he's also been far worse in recent memory. He's 36 and probably looking at a 3.80 ERA/FIP and an OBPA over .300. The K/BB is solid.

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I wouldn't say he's really good. He's good enough, he's adequate. He's above replacement level but he's also been far worse in recent memory. He's 36 and probably looking at a 3.80 ERA/FIP and an OBPA over .300. The K/BB is solid.

 

I think Lackey is a borderline top 30 starter tbh. He was bad in St. Louis but was a total beast before that.

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Pomeranz moreso.

 

I'd probably take any of the three if I were inclined to move Craig. But I'm jaded from trying to move fat Craig for like 8 months and not even being able to land a Tanner Roark.

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If fatty Butler had OF as well it might help.

 

Suddenly a new team is in play. This could get done quickly, although I'd like to see if FTD is in before I make a decision.

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I think Lackey is a borderline top 30 starter tbh. He was bad in St. Louis but was a total beast before that.

Lackey was fantastic in St. Louis. 74.0% F-Strike%, 11.1 SwStr%. Hughesque.

 

I expect big things from him in 2015.

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I'm not buying F-strike% as even close to a good enough reason to say someone was fantastic.
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I'm not buying F-strike% as even close to a good enough reason to say someone was fantastic.

You should! Pitchers usually try to throw a strike on the first pitch so it's a good indicator of overall control.

 

Pitch F/X era seasons with >90 innings (.44 R^2):

 

http://i.imgur.com/rJaxILK.png

 

And obviously SwStr% is a good indicator of strikeout ability.

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Lackey was fantastic in St. Louis.

 

-0.3 bWAR, 0.4 fWAR. Fantastic?

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You should! Pitchers usually try to throw a strike on the first pitch so it's a good indicator of overall control.

 

Pitch F/X era seasons with >90 innings:

 

http://i.imgur.com/rJaxILK.png

 

Obviously throwing a first-pitch strike is good lol, but that shows through in the results. Saying Lackey was fantastic because he threw a lot of first-pitch strikes is silly.

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Lackey was fantastic in St. Louis. 74.0% F-Strike%, 11.1 SwStr%. Hughesque.

 

I expect big things from him in 2015.

 

Results wise, he was bad I mean.

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Obviously throwing a first-pitch strike is good lol, but that shows through in the results. Saying Lackey was fantastic because he threw a lot of first-pitch strikes is silly.

It's a matter of what you're measuring. A pitcher who pitches as Lackey did with the Cardinals will generally be very successful.

 

He did give up runs and dingers though. If you're measuring that (via ERA/FIP), he was sub-fantastic.

Old-Timey Member
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"sub-fantastic"

 

lol

 

I own him in LOD though so if anyone wants the fantastic- ahem, GREAT PD STATS John Lackey, give me a ring!

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If fatty Butler had OF as well it might help.

 

Suddenly a new team is in play. This could get done quickly, although I'd like to see if FTD is in before I make a decision.

 

You want Pomeranz?

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Miles Mikolas has a great spin rate on his curveball. He's fantastic!

lol that correlates less with present and future success though.

 

Would you consider Lackey's performance to be fantastic if he had a good xFIP? Or does the presence of HR/FB correction preclude the stat from being used in performance evaluation?

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