NHL Thread

[GD]

Thoughts on Liles+ for Gleason?

[Frag]

This article proves that Team USA's management is dumn:

 

Bobby Ryan was also in Vancouver and has been the most consistent of U.S.-born scorers, having tallied 30 or more goals four times for Anaheim before being dealt to Ottawa in the offseason. And yet there is surprising resistance to simply penciling him into a spot on the wing.

 

The issue is where he fits. If he's not a top-six forward, his skating doesn't really lend itself to him being a third-line checker. He cannot kill penalties, and while in Anaheim, he was not on the team's top power-play unit.

 

"I think he's sleepy. I think he skates sleepy," offers one member of the selection committee.

 

Poile asks for a show of hands: "Are guys nervous about Bobby Ryan?" A flurry of hands go up in the air.

 

"That's a lot of guys," Poile notes.

[Abomination]

Orpik over Yandle and Bobby Ryan omitted? lol what a joke.

 

It's possible some of the players may have refused to go also, and when you think about it with the olympic testing standards for performance enhancing drugs being much stronger, that could also be a factor with some players not going.

[Frag]

Ooh, another juicy quote from that article I linked:

 

Burke recalls fighting with his scouts in Anaheim over whether to take Bobby Ryan or Jack Johnson at the 2005 draft.

 

The scouts won and the Ducks took Ryan.

 

"I should have taken Jack," Burke says. "No way he lets us down for 12 days.

 

"I know he's having a poor year, but I love everything about this kid."

 

So Burke goes with Johnson and Fowler as a 1A pick ahead of Yandle.

 

Oh wow!

[GD]

^sweet jesus what the hell

[havok24]

^sweet jesus what the hell

 

What the f***? Is there another Bobby Ryan in the NHL that I'm not aware exists?

[Laika]

Paul Stastny? Is USA thin at C or something? All Canada seems to even have is centres.

[Frag]

Paul Stastny? Is USA thin at C or something? All Canada seems to even have is centres.

 

Brooks Orpik would make one think that the US is thin on D, even though they snubbed Byfuglien and Yandle.

[Laika]

Brooks Orpik would make one think that the US is thin on D, even though they snubbed Byfuglien and Yandle.

 

I don't even think that their top 2 D, Shattenkirk or Suter, are necessarily better than Yandle.

[Nox]

USA USA USA

 

Very pleased with the anti-knowledge they displayed today.

 

The bad news is that Canada will probably be just as dumb. The good news is that our replacement level is so high it basically doesn't matter.

[Frag]

USA USA USA

 

Very pleased with the anti-knowledge they displayed today.

 

The bad news is that Canada will probably be just as dumb. The good news is that our replacement level is so high it basically doesn't matter.

 

Pretty much. When Canada goes full dumb, they replace PK Subban with Drew Doughty. When USA goes full dumb, they replace Dustin Byfuglien or Keith Yandle with Brooks Orpik.

[TheHurl]

everyone's rightfully ripping into the U.S. decisions...which probably means they win gold

[Dylan]

What would everyone want for team Canada

 

 

If healthy I'd like

 

Forwards

Stamkos

Crosby

Toews

Tavares

Giroux

Nash

Getzlaf

Perry

Staal

Hall

Bergeron

Couture

Sharp

ex: Benn

 

Defence

Weber

Subban

Pietrangelo

Keith

Doughty

Letang

ex: Bouwmeester

 

Price and Luongo

[Nox]

What would everyone want for team Canada

 

 

If healthy I'd like

 

Forwards

Stamkos

Crosby

Toews

Tavares

Giroux

Nash

Getzlaf

Perry

Staal

Hall

Bergeron

Couture

Sharp

ex: Benn

 

Defence

Weber

Subban

Pietrangelo

Keith

Doughty

Letang

ex: Bouwmeester

 

Price and Luongo

 

I don't really want Nash and Staal too badly (though I'm pretty sure they'll be taken).

 

A top line of Crosby/Stammer/Duchene would be the most entertaining thing ever on big ice.

[GD]

As long as Subban gets taken I'm game.

 

Wouldn't mind Reimer in net out of pure and shameless homerism.

[Sammy225]

What would everyone want for team Canada

 

 

If healthy I'd like

 

Forwards

Stamkos

Crosby

Toews

Tavares

Giroux

Nash

Getzlaf

Perry

Staal

Hall

Bergeron

Couture

Sharp

ex: Benn

 

Defence

Weber

Subban

Pietrangelo

Keith

Doughty

Letang

ex: Bouwmeester

 

Price and Luongo

 

Lu is third behind Price and Smith IMO. It would be fun to see Smith handle the puck on an Olympic sized rink.

[Sammy225]

I have watched the Coyotes a bit this year and Yandle I would make a run at making Canada. Such a good f***ing hockey player. Bobby Ryan should be a 1st/2nd liner. I could see the Buff snub he is not a great defender.

 

Whatever better for Canada. Now what are the chance the Russians are going to leave Ovie or Geno off their roster lol.

[Laika]

Speaking of Ovie, lol at Oates?!

 

Capitals shift Alex Ovechkin to second line

Alex Ovechkin has been moved to the Capitals' second line.

Ovechkin has been held off the scoresheet for four straight games, so Capitals coach Adam Oates is trying to spark him. We don't expect Ovechkin's slump to last much longer either way. He will play alongside Eric Fehr and Mikhail Grabovski.

 

In other words, Eric Fehr and Grabo were just promoted to the first line...

[Laika]

As for team Canada, this would be mine:

 

Tavares/Crosby/Stamkos

Couture/Toews/Giroux

Duchene/Getzlaf/Perry

Lucic/Bergeron/Benn

 

Extras: I think you can make almost equal cases for Seguin, Sharp, Hall, Staal, Nash, and St. Louis. I like them in the order I listed, but they are all justifiable.

 

Expectation: No Lucic, Nash and Staal both get named, and one of Benn or Duchene go into the tournament as a nominal "extra forward".

 

I could also see them naming Carter or St. Louis and leaving Benn or Duchene at home (which would be super dumb IMO). Kunitz getting named would be even more dumb than that.

 

Doughty/Subban

Keith/Seabrook

Pietrangelo/Weber

 

Extras: Boyle and Bouwmeester

 

I don't like Letang, and it's not like the team would need a 1-way PP specialist anyway. I don't like Bouwmeester very much either but the handedness thing might matter. I don't know a lot about Vlasic - hockey stat heads, is he roster worthy here?

 

Price

Luongo

Smith

 

In that order.

 

PK1 is Bergeron/Toews and whatever D.

PP1 is line 1 and Keith/Subban.

PP2 is Doughty/Boyle and line 2 or 3, maybe consider putting Lucic at LW and in front of the net on PP2.

 

I'd be super interested in what Frag or some other Corsi nerd thinks is the statistically ideal team Canada.

[Dylan]

Lupul will face hearing after the cross check to Eaves

[Frag]

As for team Canada, this would be mine:

 

Tavares/Crosby/Stamkos

Couture/Toews/Giroux

Duchene/Getzlaf/Perry

Lucic/Bergeron/Benn

 

Extras: I think you can make almost equal cases for Seguin, Sharp, Hall, Staal, Nash, and St. Louis. I like them in the order I listed, but they are all justifiable.

 

Expectation: No Lucic, Nash and Staal both get named, and one of Benn or Duchene go into the tournament as a nominal "extra forward".

 

I could also see them naming Carter or St. Louis and leaving Benn or Duchene at home (which would be super dumb IMO). Kunitz getting named would be even more dumb than that.

 

Doughty/Subban

Keith/Seabrook

Pietrangelo/Weber

 

Extras: Boyle and Bouwmeester

 

I don't like Letang, and it's not like the team would need a 1-way PP specialist anyway. I don't like Bouwmeester very much either but the handedness thing might matter. I don't know a lot about Vlasic - hockey stat heads, is he roster worthy here?

 

Price

Luongo

Smith

 

In that order.

 

PK1 is Bergeron/Toews and whatever D.

PP1 is line 1 and Keith/Subban.

PP2 is Doughty/Boyle and line 2 or 3, maybe consider putting Lucic at LW and in front of the net on PP2.

 

I'd be super interested in what Frag or some other Corsi nerd thinks is the statistically ideal team Canada.

 

I'd switch Bouwmeester with one of Vlasic, Letang or Hamhuis. Also, I think I would take Staal over Lucic. But boy, Canada can make a mistake and it really wouldn't hurt them as badly as other countries.

[John_Havok]

As for team Canada, this would be mine:

 

Tavares/Crosby/Stamkos

Couture/Toews/Giroux

Duchene/Getzlaf/Perry

Lucic/Bergeron/Benn

 

Extras: I think you can make almost equal cases for Seguin, Sharp, Hall, Staal, Nash, and St. Louis. I like them in the order I listed, but they are all justifiable.

 

Expectation: No Lucic, Nash and Staal both get named, and one of Benn or Duchene go into the tournament as a nominal "extra forward".

 

I could also see them naming Carter or St. Louis and leaving Benn or Duchene at home (which would be super dumb IMO). Kunitz getting named would be even more dumb than that.

 

Doughty/Subban

Keith/Seabrook

Pietrangelo/Weber

 

Extras: Boyle and Bouwmeester

 

I don't like Letang, and it's not like the team would need a 1-way PP specialist anyway. I don't like Bouwmeester very much either but the handedness thing might matter. I don't know a lot about Vlasic - hockey stat heads, is he roster worthy here?

 

Price

Luongo

Smith

 

In that order.

 

PK1 is Bergeron/Toews and whatever D.

PP1 is line 1 and Keith/Subban.

PP2 is Doughty/Boyle and line 2 or 3, maybe consider putting Lucic at LW and in front of the net on PP2.

 

I'd be super interested in what Frag or some other Corsi nerd thinks is the statistically ideal team Canada.

 

James Neal...Taylor hall....Patrick Marleau...joe Thornton

[Abomination]

It's a shame that countries can't qualify two teams considering the depth we have.

[John_Havok]

On a completely unrelated note, there's a defenseman on Winnipeg named Grant Clitsome. That's just awesome...

[GD]

On a completely unrelated note, there's a defenseman on Winnipeg named Grant Clitsome. That's just awesome...

 

I've always enjoyed him and Thomas Hickey.

[Frag]

James Neal...Taylor hall....Patrick Marleau...joe Thornton

 

Ugh, I'm so tired I totally forgot Taylor Hall. He easily makes the team over Lucic. EASILY.

[Fearthedoc]

I don't know how you can leave Patrick Sharp off the roster given how good a year he's having. He's really obviously really consistent as well.

 

It's such a shame we can't have two teams. Our depth is ridiculous. I wish we could trade Team Finland Carey Price + a bunch of forwards for Tuukka Rask.

[eastcoastjaysfan]

So... Subban with 4 more points last night.... assuming he's a lock now?

[Frag]

So... Subban with 4 more points last night.... assuming he's a lock now?

 

Still needs to play the white... I mean RIGHT way!

 

...

[Frag]

So, I've been tirelessly reading through as many scouting reports on players as possible (that were done right around the time of the draft, which is not possible for all picks). So far, in a small sample size, I found something not too surprising with regards to "character" reports and place of origin (ie. North American vs. European/Former USSR). I read through reports looking for key terms like "leadership", "character", "work ethic", "lazy", etc. Then, ranked them as "Good" for positive words, "Bad" for negative words and "Neutral" for either no words or mixed reports. This is what I've got for 37 picks in the 2003 draft (1st 2 rounds only; not including goaltenders), where 2 = European/USSR and 1 = North American:

 

 

So yeah, Europeans were typically given bad "makeup" reports while North Americans were typically given good "makeup" reports, at least from the samples I'm working with. I'm continuing to other drafts, which include: 2002 and 2004 drafts, 2008-13 drafts most of which include TSN reports.