Carlos Danger

I just woke up out here in Cali. Which one is it? Zombie invasion? (which I am ready for and knew was coming!). Because it appears Volgelbach is already planned for or very close to being considered for the MLB roster.

We have a bunch of unknown mid talent. Even Duke Stachio wasn’t given ABs in the playoffs until the very end and he sucked the last part of the season. We have a bunch of unknowns who have never played in MLB and other guys who most of us wish were cut from the roster plus your boy Biggio. You well know that tons of top 20 specs flame out and we don’t even have any top 50 on the way. The point I am making is my gut, based upon looking at the roster up until now, is the Jays are not just signing these guys for depth, which is generally for if a bunch of guys get hurt, but also because they need to plug holes on the MLB roster. Which is different than just deep injury depth. There is nada wrong with signing 100 guys on milb contracts. Just in this particular case it highlights mlb roster deficiencies to this point IMO.

Same group who said, IFK is a depth piece only..... Maybe, but................................................................

Most of you are wrong. You are not assessing these moves in the correct context. Every team signs depth pieces and AAAA guys and washed up near washed up vets for Milb depth. These moves for the first time in years are because we don't have solid options at the MLB and MILB level. When we did these moves in the past, it was with Josh D, or Matt Chapman etc at 3B and we had a some decent backups on the 40 man. We had our bona fide DH or 2b etc, etc. Depth pitchers, I would never say a peep, you can never have to many. These moves are the Blue Jays hoping that they hit lighting in a bottle and as a hedge against the mid MLB roster they have so far. I did preface that the off season is not over and lots of FAs out there and trade possibilities. As it stands however, we don't have a 3b or DH we should go to war with and expect a playoff spot. If Turner plays 3b we need a real DH, If IFK plays 3b and Turner DHs, IFK is not someone who should be our starting 3b, especially when you have a Hodge podge at 2b and no real heavy hitters in the OF. I am getting Kevin Mench and Brad Wilkerson vibes as our patch plan starters this year.. I like JT, but the Dude is old and could fall apart any minute.

I know the off-season is not over yet and the two signings today are depth moves and MILB deals. However, it is reminding me of the JPR days of dumpster diving.... If you have strong farm and core do you really even make these moves....? It is like we are making moves to just keep our head above water, and not actually, win the swim race... Because if either of the two signings have to play regularly on the MLB club, we are screwed...

Mets' Buck Showalter, Billy Eppler at Odds Over Daniel Vogelbach's Playing Time The New York Mets' manager and general manager butted heads during the season about Daniel Vogelbach's playing time. PAT RAGAZZO OCT 5, 2023 12:57 PM EDT NEW YORK METS It became a problem. According to Mike Puma of The New York Post, manager Buck Showalter and general manager Billy Eppler butted heads over designated hitter Daniel Vogelbach's playing time during the season. The New York Mets acquired Vogelbach at the 2022 trade deadline to be their DH against right-handed pitching. But the 30-year-old struggled to begin the 2023 season, and when Showalter tried to deploy other options at DH, he was met with push back from Eppler and was told he had to play him, per Puma. Showalter felt that the DH position should be used as a rotation to get players rest while keeping them in the lineup. He also took issue with Vogelbach's limited skillset. After a 75 win season, Showalter was fired as new president of baseball operations David Stearns came in and wanted to bring in his own manager. Vogelbach was known for getting on-base, but Showalter believed his lack of power didn't warrant being in the lineup on a regular basis, per Puma. Vogelbach's lack of mobility also meant he couldn't play the field. Vogelbach's struggles only made the situation worse, as he had a .690 OPS by the All-Star break. In addition to Vogelbach, Jeff McNeil, Starling Marte and Brett Baty were all disappointing in the first half and Francisco Alvarez was inconsistent. As Puma reported, the assumption was that Vogelbach would be traded at the deadline, but when that didn't happen it led to Showalter openly questioning why he was still on the team. After Vogelbach remained on the team, Eppler told Showalter to keep him in the starting lineup, despite his lack of production. While the organization was debating whether to call-up Ronny Mauricio and give him regular playing time, Vogelbach had his best month in August with six home runs and a .890 OPS. But in the month of September, Vogelbach received just 21 at-bats and didn't play in the team's final eight games, as Mauricio was called up and Baty was brought back, signaling the Mets' commitment to youth down the stretch of the season. Vogelbach finished the year slashing .233/.339/.404 with 13 homers and 48 RBIs. Stearns (who was with the Milwaukee Brewers) and Eppler both acquired Vogelbach. The Mets will have to decide this offseason whether to tender Vogelbach a contract, as he is in his final year of arbitration. This decision will ultimately be Stearns' call, while Eppler remains as GM.

He was apparently a source of a lot of consternation between the Met's manager and FO, a la Moneyball (The movie) GM vs Manager..

Phillies are a great fit for two hit Whit!

Fixed it

Fever Pitch. They were filming during the season to actually incorporate a scene into the movie when the Red Sox actually real life won the WS. They had to rewrite the script because the writers had actually assumed they would lose in the playoffs. The actors were filmed running on the field and celebrating.

Last time they followed the Red Sox with a camera they won the World Series... The movie with Jimmy Fallon and Drew Barrymore...

Marlin’s DFA Groshans.. Good of our FO to move him. I remember when he was the next big thing in the Blue Jay’s org and another whomp, womp , wommmp..

Not that type of Fantasy game, Hog f***er..

Does he mean lifetime earnings..? Trying to understand also...

I’m being half facetious.. I would honestly not want to stipulate he has to play SS the total term of a 10-11 year deal either though.

I am telling everyone that listens that with Vlad's body type, already (issues affecting him apparently) history of taking care of his body at a young age etc. Vlad is a high, high risk long term investment and that money could be better spent elsewhere. But Soto next year or spend it on BO. (With a clause that he will eventually transition to 2b. I would NOT make a long term large financial commitment to Vlad.

Always remember that today's dollar is worth much less in 10 plus years. I think the Royals did well. Sends a message to FAs, guys with no trade clauses, season ticket holders etc as well. Having said that. Blue Jays DO NOT do this with Vlad jr, NOT apples and apples.

Brewers actively shopping Adames now apparently.

I wasn't anywhere near that reactionary. However, I did say and believe it to this day that you are not going to "win" on a trade with the current Dodger's FO twice. We lucked out with Stripling and I just didn't see that happening twice. When the Dodgers let an SP go, it is because they think they are shot or they like much better what they are getting back. I think Mitch White was a prime example of this apart from the recent injury to Frasso. Pepiot is good, but Glasnow is/can be elite. I can't think of many examples where the Dodgers have let a good SP get way and not getting a really good return. I am and would be vary wary when you make a SP trade with the Dodgers...

Don’t agree with you on this one.

This could also be some Psych op to make teams believe they are fine with keeping him, and to up their offers. When in reality the Jays want to be rid of him like a bad case of the crabs..

Smart move by the O's. Why spend $30 million a year on a FA SP to get you what, 104 wins instead of 101? However, trading specs that won't even make a dent for a top SP is a nice move.

Even worse would be them locking up their elite specs long term on the cheap a la AA. Detroit and Milwaukee.

That is why I said a 1yr to 6 months. They have a bunch of non-pitcher solid specs who will probably debut mid year 2024 and 2025.

We are f***ed.