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Raiding the Rays front office probably sounded better in theory.
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General 2020 Blue Jays Discussion Thread
glory replied to Bobthe4th's topic in Toronto Blue Jays Talk
Shatkins is big on depth, and Alford was a top 60 prospect two years ago. Seems like a reasonable gamble to take by keeping him, especially since the Jays aren't exactly loaded in the OF. -
That’s my hunch. Kinda like the reverse AA/Marlins trade. That trade leaked and Jays fans nutted all over their keyboards, so AA didn’t back out even when Johnson failed his physical. This trade leaked, Red Sox fans hated it, and now Graterol is so damaged that a trade cannot he worked out. I mean maybe it is just as it seems (Graterol failed his physical and they can’t agree on a alternate trade) but seems fishy to me. Not a good start for the Red Sox GM.
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Yes I get that part, but seems like it would be a pretty easy fix (replace Graterol with someone else, add another prospect, etc). Instead it seems to be dragging and Rosenthal posted that the MLBPA is upset with the whole thing. Just seems more convoluted than it needs to be.
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Is this a case of the Red Sox agreeing to the trade, seeing the backlash from the fans, and getting cold feet, or is there something legitimately wrong with Graterol that warrants another top prospect (which is apparently what the Sox are asking for)? This whole thing is ridiculous.
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The only place the Raptors could have upgraded was SF (OG hasn't been very good) but no one who was actually moved in other trades would have made a difference. No point making a lateral move or marginal upgrade. OG is still young, so even if he's just a role player long term, they don't have to move him now. Stick with the current group and see what happens. The Raptors (like a lot of teams) are preserving cap space for 2021 when Giannis is a FA. They won't add anyone whose contracts runs beyond next season, so that limits their options as well.
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Big market teams operating like the Rays would be boring as hell. That's likely part of the backlash here. The Red Sox should not be making value driven decisions by trading a HOF level talent in his 20's. The Rays doing it is one thing since they trade anyone who makes a 7 figure salary, and they have no fanbase to add revenue, but the Red Sox draw 3 mil a year and are a cash cow. They shouldn't have to do this, even if it might make some baseball sense (Betts wants to test FA, they get more years of control, etc).
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Betts has been adamant about testing free agency. He turned down $200m two years ago, and apparently wants over $400m. I don't blame him. Someone as great as him should maximize his earnings, and he's confident enough to bet on himself. The Red Sox may have been able to extend him if they gave him Trout money (assuming Betts was open to an extension now) but they weren't going to do that with their luxury tax concerns.
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I don't think the Dodgers are losers. They gave up players they didn't need, got back one of the best players in the game for at least his age 27 season (if not more if they re-sign him) and Price at half of his contract. I think every team got what they wanted out of this. The only team that I think overpaid is the Twins for Maeda, but they know more about Graterol than anyone else. If he's a RP long term then it's not as bad.
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So from the reports, sounds like.... Twins get: Maeda Red Sox get: Verdugo, Graterol (more?) Dodgers get: Betts, Price, and half of Price's salary paid by the Red Sox Of course there could be more to the deal, and no follow up to Joc/Angels yet.
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Sounds like Dodgers, Red Sox, Twins, and Angels are all involved here. Rosenthal mentioned the Angels and Passan mentioned the Twins, and those two are the most reliable you will find, so sounds like a four team trade.
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Kenny said "Verdugo and others", which likely means he's the main guy in the deal. If it was Lux or May I'm guessing they would have been named. I wonder who the 3rd team is.
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The team with the top 5 player on their team usually wins in the playoffs. The Raptors won last year because Kawhi was a top 3 player in the league (with a case for best in the league). The only team in the East with a top 5 player is Milwaukee, so I can't see the Raptors having a real chance against them. Competitive? Sure, but that series is over in 5, or 6 at best games. With that said, get to the ECF and go 5-6 games with the Bucks after losing 40% of a finals starting lineup and replacing them with undrafted players and RHJ? I'll take it. That would be a sweet victory lap. As far as seeding, yeah the Raptors need the #2 seed. It not only puts them in position to avoid the Bucks until the ECF and get an easier first round opponent (although a healthy Kyrie would be dangerous if it ends up being the Nets at 7), but also gives them home court against similar teams like the Heat and Celtics. HCA matters when it is teams with similar talent, and the Raptors have the championship experience edge on top of that. Get the #2 seed and let the chips fall from there.
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Yeah that whole thread is very informative on what's going on. Have no idea how it is going to be resolved. Keep hoping there won't be a work stoppage after 2021, but seems like Manfred is having issues with more than just the MLBPA. Seems unavoidable at this point.
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Put the damn DH in the NL already. No one wants to see a pitcher hit unless it’s someone like Ohtani.
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Starling Marte has been traded to the D-Backs. Apparently for two prospects, but names not known yet.
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Timing of this is suspect as hell. Never snitch on MLB players, apparently.
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General 2020 Blue Jays Discussion Thread
glory replied to Bobthe4th's topic in Toronto Blue Jays Talk
If there’s one thing Atkins does well it’s relievers. Bass, Dolis, Font, and Yamaguchi (if he’s in the pen) behind Giles is a lot of uncertainty in performance but I’ll give him the benefit of the doubt. My guess is Valera gets dropped. I don’t think Alford is going anywhere until they get a look at him in ST, and even then they might stash him on the bench. Even if he’s a long shot to ever be good, Shatkins likes depth and if Alford is fixable in some way he’d be an asset. Valera seems like roster filler. -
Yeah I don't see Shatkins trading Groshans. The more sensible approach when the team does decide to trade prospects would be to move excess/expendable ones. Groshans is potentially a core piece, not an expendable piece. I would think the Jays will eventually trade from the catching depth, and there will be fringe top 100 prospects that the team could move in a year or two when the win curve justifies it.
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General 2020 Blue Jays Discussion Thread
glory replied to Bobthe4th's topic in Toronto Blue Jays Talk