Terminator

Lake is fast.

Why would Betances throw a curveball? Just gas him up. And lol @ Gibbons for not pinch hitting for Thole but then pinch running for him, meaning he risks Martin have to go in to the game anyway. But hey, it worked!

Let's get 2 runs and win this horrible, awful no-good game.

I don't think he can start in CF. He could perhaps platoon in a corner spot with Upton when Pillar comes back.

Would any other team offer that right now? Ortiz, Beltre, Beltran were all in similar circumstances at their ages and none got that much money.

xFIP by month: April: 4.25 May: 3.49 June: 3.93 July: 2.66 Aug: 2.25

With Cincy being so horrible I bet he could be convinced to change his mind.

Reds would need eat something like at least 50 million of that to make me interested.

I don't think it's a foregone conclusion at all. Beltre didn't get paid that. Ortiz didn't get paid that. Are there any 35+ year olds in recent years who have gotten 3 for 60? There could be but I can't think of them. Beltran got 3 for 45 and he was coming off of a 131 wRC+ season. I'm not sure if he had a draft pick attached to him or not. Though he was a year older than Bautista will be entering next year.

Yeah agreed. Assuming he doesn't bomb the rest of the year a QO is a win-win IMO. He accepts and we get a 2.5 WAR corner OFer on a one year deal in which the FA market is weak. He's got his risks but those risks are mitigated almost completely on a one year deal. He turns it down and we get a pick.

This thread makes Shatkins look like gods. Resigned Estrada to a cheap two year deal. Brought in Happ on a reasonable deal. Put Sanchez in the rotation even though the bullpen was a very worthwhile decision. Now we have a thread where we are discussing all 3 as CY contenders. I don't even think I can vote right now. It's too garbled as it is. On top of it you have to try and think like a baseball writer who often vote like dinosaurs. Happ's W-L record is pretty top notch so he has a real chance. Sanchez' W-L record is good too though he needs to add some wins in coming weeks. Tough call right now.

It depends how the rest of Saunders' season shakes out but would you sign him for 1 year, 16.7 million right now? I would. I'd offer it to him but be prepared that he could accept. Given how few OFers there are on the market he might turn it down. But again this all depends on how his final two months look.

Well if a 4 year deal is out there he should turn down the QO. I don't know who the hell would offer him one right now though.

Does Bautista even turn down a QO at this point?

It's tough to say because I don't really follow the other teams managers all that much. Gibbons makes some bad moves but there is no way I'd take Ned Yost over him. Gibbons' lineups are probably about 80-90% of where they should be which probably isn't too bad meanwhile Yost will bat one of the worst hitters in baseball at leadoff because "we win when he hits leadoff." The players, outside of the spats he got in before, all seem to like him. We've got quite the collection of characters, that can't be the easiest bunch to manage. I like that he's willing to get tossed more than any other manager in the league. He doesn't do too much on the basepaths and it seems like we don't really bunt that much, unless it's just a god awful hitter at which point it's not that big of a deal imo. I also think that there have been a lot of times when we could have escalated our beefs with other teams and have chosen not too. Gibby should get some credit for managing all of those situations pretty well. He's also done some dumb s*** that works out, even regarding his bullpen. He pretty much threw a struggling Jason Grilli in to the setup role and that worked out well. Looks like Benoit and the 7th inning might be working out similarly. It does seem like we often run in to "Player X is unavailable out of the pen tonight" because they have been used so many days in a row. But that's also kind of a product of having 3 or 4 guys you can actually count on on the rest being garbage. I'd take him over Yost and I'd take him over Farrell. I'd also take him over Bannister. That guy is dumb as s***. I remember in the playoffs last year he went to Chi Chi Rodriguez in a very clutch spot who predictably was shelled. At the beginning of the year Gibby went with some of his garbage guys in key spots but not even he is dumb enough to do that in the playoffs. Though Gibby did burn David Price in a blowout game last year which was DUMB. I watch a lot of Showalter and as much as I hate that ******* I can't really say Gibby is any better than him but he's also not really much worse. I'd probably give the edge to Showalter though they are both probably middle of the pack managers. I watch a lot of Walt Weiss. He doesn't really stand out one way or the other to me either.

I know you well enough to know that you are pretty good at trolling.

He's pretty funny but I think most people know to just ignore him until anything he says is corroborated by something else.

Rays scouting clearly told them to be aggressive in taking 3rd, even with two outs, because of the passed ball.

Dickey is a rollercoaster pitch to pitch. The extend Dickey thread gets fired up from both sides each game.

That last pitch from Dickey was a beauty. 61 mph knuckler that time. He doesn't throw that slow knuckler often does he?

The world's hardest working ground crew (or whatever they call themselves these days) needs to work smarter.

Come on you senile old shits. You can remember to call him Melvin it's not that hard.

Travis is a star player. I love having that guy on the team.

Ceciliani already giving lip to the umpire. Looks like he'll fit right in with the rest of the guys.

No probably not. He was a 6'6'' black dude.