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Vladdy/Bo Extension or Trade Discussion
jaysblue replied to AMS528's topic in Toronto Blue Jays Talk
Might even be the odd guy who is a non-tender candidate (e.g. Swanson or Romano if the Jays feel they're broken and can't make a full return to their previous levels). Though yeah good point, if they lock up both Soto and Vladdy, they most likely have to be a tax team for 2025 given the other areas that need to be addressed on the roster. Once some salaries come off the books afterwards, they should be okay moving forward. -
Looking forward to see Horwitz over a full season next year. Really think he can be a solid contributor. Would be awesome if he turned into the Jays version of Jeff McNeil.
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Vladdy/Bo Extension or Trade Discussion
jaysblue replied to AMS528's topic in Toronto Blue Jays Talk
Would they be able to fit both into the payroll next season and seasons afterwards without going over the luxury tax? Or if they did sign both to long term deals, would they even care about going over the luxury tax during the first couple of seasons with them both in their prime years? -
Yeah not my first or second choice that's for sure. If the Jays can't sign Chapman or Bregman, and/or failed to add huge thump to other areas in the lineup, he's not a bad target for some cheap power. Doubt the Marlins ask a lot in return anyways. Keep Clement obviously around as well for defensive purposes, and I'm sure they could manage the workloads between both at the hot corner, with Burger getting his AB's between 3B & DH. Again depends on how the offseason plays out.
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I know I got attacked last week for listing Jake Burger as a possible 3B trade candidate this upcoming offseason, though Mr. Burger since July 1st has been on a tear with the bat. Since July 1st: .292 BA, 13 HR's, 23 RBI with 165 wRC+ in July and 193 wRC+ in August. 198 wRC+ in the second half thus far. Gotta put up with the streakiness with his bat and poor glove, though as long he produces around 2 WAR with 30 + HR's hitting in the bottom of the order, he's not a bad option given the lack of HR power in this lineup. Probably can be rotated between DH and 3B.
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Vladdy/Bo Extension or Trade Discussion
jaysblue replied to AMS528's topic in Toronto Blue Jays Talk
If they can lock up Vladdy and if they can land Soto, what a dynamic duo that would be for the next decade. If they were willing to go all-in on Ohtani last offseason, you gotta think they would definitely entertain the idea of locking up both Vladdy & Soto, which total would likely be cheaper than the 10 year/$700M Ohtani signed with the Dodgers. -
Doval for the Giants has been garbage as well. He was just sent down to the minors.
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Wily Adames has been on a tear with his sixth homer since the All-Star break and he's hitting .285 (20-for-70) with 13 runs scored and 12 RBI over 18 games. Looking to cash-in this offseason!
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You're one of the worst and most insufferable posters on this board. Your arrogance when just having a simple baseball discussion is baffling. Posters like you make this message board a toxic place especially for new members and even long standing members. Like seriously, there is no point in having any baseball discussion with you around. You're so condescending and pretentious. For mentioning Ryan McMahon and Jake Burger as possible trade candidates. Geez lol! You really need to chill.
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Yeah agreed. So hopefully they can make two big additions at LF and DH, along with one of the FA arms available. Then you can afford to roll with Clement at 3B.
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I just listed some 3B trade candidates who likely are available. Just some baseball discussion. You're not s***ing on any suggestions because I never made any lol. Again, you're proving why you're the most arrogant poster on this board. Sure if the Jays can't afford signing Bregman or Chapman, they either likely have to go the trade route (and I listed some possible trade candidates at 3B) or I said just roll with Clement at 3B.
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A team that had Trout and Ohtani and never even sniffed the Postseason. Just crazy!
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Sure, that's an option as well, but then the Jays need to go hard after a bat like Rooker, and at least another OF bat. Can Clement give the Jays a 2.5 - 3 WAR season if playing on a regular basis?
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Yeah and that's even if they traded for Rooker haha. Still a lot needs to be done and a lot of things need to go right in order to get this team back to an 88-90 win team. Pederson or a similar profile bat won't be too difficult to add. The Jays FO cannot fail again this offseason. Chapman likely will cost more money given his resurgence with the Giants and Burnes for sure gets a huge contract. When is Bieber expected back? He likely can be signed on a 1-2 year deal, maybe with an opt out. Trade route for 3B is likely the best bet - or you just platoon Clement/Barger.
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Just listed some possible 3B trade candidates. Still has a 2.1 WAR season thus far and likely will finish between 2.5 and 3 WAR. Offensively he isn't anything special but he's a bat who could give you .240 with 20-25 HR and 70-80 RBI, along with close to 3 WAR. Having him bat at the bottom of the order like 7th is fine. His deal includes a conditional opt-out after 2025 and 2026 and $11.7M AAV isn't that bad. We also saw glimpses of his potential earlier this season. Not sure he can be consistent enough to put it together over a full season, but that's fine. If he's hitting at the bottom of the lineup, who cares. Pretty much would be similar to IKF, but even IKF this season has been producing better than his career averages. Can IKF keep up a 116 wRC+ for an entire year or post up a 3 WAR season consistently? He likely regresses back to being a 80 wRC+ and 1.5/2 WAR guy. McMahon at least can hit 20-25 HR and has some more potential offensively IMO.
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Yeah he has really struggled as of late offensively. Still has a 2.1 WAR season thus far and likely will finish between 2.5 and 3 WAR. Offensively he isn't anything special but he's a bat who could give you .240 with 20-25 HR and 70-80 RBI, along with close to 3 WAR. Having him bat at the bottom of the order like 7th is fine. His deal includes a conditional opt-out after 2025 and 2026.
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Possible 3B trade candidates: Ryan McMahon and Jake Burger. Manny Machado but would have to eat a lot of contract and that's IF the Padres want to move him. As well, Nolan Arenado, but his contract could be an issue and that's IF the Cards want to move him. Their contracts should reduce the asking price.
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Haha so that likely reduces his trade value slightly if he's mainly a DH bat. Give him a majority of his AB's at DH, with the odd start in LF if needed. Plenty of corner OF bats available in free agency.
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C Kirk/______ 1B Guerrero 2B Horwtiz SS Bichette 3B _______ RF Springer CF Varsho LF Rooker DH _______ BN Schneider BN Clement BN Loperfido BN _______ SP Gausman SP _______ SP Bassitt SP Berrios SP Rodriguez Jays should be able to sign one of the following front of the rotation arms available this offseason: Snell, Burnes (ace), Fried, Flaherty, Bieber (misses time likely earlier in the season), or bring back Kikuchi. Should be the main focus of free agency. Not many 3B available other than Bregman or Chapman. Likely will be a bit pricey. Not sure if there are any trade options or they roll with Clement. As for another LF/DH bat, can easily sign someone like Joc Pederson, Tyler O'Neill, Jesse Winker, Jurickson Profar, Teo Hernandez, Anthony Santander, Michael Conforto, Max Kepler etc. Plenty of options available. Can't botch that situation again. Bullpen should be easy to repair via free agency and gotta hope for some bounce backs from Romano, Swanson, and Green.
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Would Rooker be a full time DH or can he play LF for an entire season? He's only played 14 games in the outfield this season. Is he that bad defensively?
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Like BTS said, it's Oakland haha. The Jays were able to steal Josh Donaldson and Matt Chapman from the A's, so anything is possible. Think he could have a huge impact and he solves a lot of issues for this lineup. He's 29-years-old, so A's likely dangle him and I can't imagine the price being astronomical. Kinda has a JD feel to him.
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Trade for Brent Rooker this offseason!
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Trading for Arozarena was a very swift deal by the Mariners. Having a down year and started to heat up with the bat when they acquired him. He's capable of 3-4 WAR seasons, and is under control until 2027.
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He was always a gamer and a fun player to watch defensively cover CF. Definitely an important part to the 2015 and 2016 teams! Shocked the Angels never traded him to a contender at the deadline. He would have been a very solid 4th outfielder for someone.
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Damn Dylan Carlson's value really tanked hard the last couple of seasons. Gets moved for Shawn Armstrong lol. Maybe Rays could unlock some magic with Carlson.
