John_Havok

All of that is hindsight though... and we have no idea how close or not close they were in extension talks. But lets assume they were far enough apart that they knew an extension couldn't get done this past offseason, why should that automatically equate to being traded? They still had plans to compete this season, so trading him in the last offseason wouldnt make sense either. Obviously nobody sees Bo being this bad in 2024, so the "well he had a bad few months last year so it should have been obvious he was going to be terrible" argument is just brainless. Not saying you're making that argument, but you know some people think it. There really was no reason in the last offseason to trade Bo when they had plans on contending in 2024. Hell even if Bo flat out said "i will not sign an extension here so don't bother offering" they'd still look at keeping him for at least 2024 before looking at a deal in this upcoming offseason. unfortunately, worst case scenario happened... Bo sucks and his value for trade is in the shitter.

As well they should. The thing with those smaller market teams that receive revenue sharing, they also get those additional "small market" comp picks every year between rounds 1 and 2 and rounds 2 and 3. I think rather than excluding them from a top 10 pick, they should be excluded from those ones instead.

I think if they're at the place where all the pending FAs are being dumped, they wont be likely to bring in any OF from outside the org unless it's a pure placeholder. I don't see them acquiring a longer-term OF in season.

Trading KK whilst eating a chunk of his remaining salary should be the easiest sell out there. The return won't be anything impactful though.

Roof is open

Somewhere, there are clouds that need to get yelled at....

Danny Jansen placed on Paternity list, Serven recalled.

I checked the zone map for him today and that's pretty much the case ...today anyway. Maybe only 6 or 7 fastballs in the bottom third of the zone, a ton were left up. His splitters locations were pretty much exactly where he'd want them, but as you indicated, without yhe consistent fastball, easy to lay off.

I'd have to dig in a bit, but I suspect that it's the same type of issue as when he's had trouble in the past. Today's game I never saw many effectively located fastballs at the bottom of the zone which pretty much allows any hitter to let any splitters go. The old "if it's low let it go" approach.

Varsho's more selective plate approach from early on in the season has disappeared

No it doesn't. The only reason small markets do it is because their owners are cheap *******s that never sign even above average players to FA deals. They tank because they have to. Toronto doesn't have to.

He's just lost his fastball command completely today

Rogers needs the Jays to be semi-relevant every year. A scorched earth rebuild will not happen.

I have no doubt that he's "on the market", but I struggle to find a team hypothetically willing to overpay for him. I also look at his value to Rogers off the field and even knowing he's underperformed his 2021 ceiling ever since he's unquestionably the face of the Jays and the face of the Rogers marketing machine to the casual fans. And, like it or not, that's a huge factor in his tradeability. Purely from an on field only perspective, of course he's tradeable, every player is. Nobody is untouchable when you look at only the on field part. It's the off-field part that makes it murky with Vlad. I'm not saying its right, or wrong, it's reality. Trading Vlad, regardless of him being the biggest trade chip, is far more impactful than just the on-field product. All of that said, name me the teams you suspect would be willing to overpay and I'll gladly entertain that discourse.

I'm just curious as to what kind of return you figure he would fetch. Right now he's a career 131 wRC+ hitter. Are you thinking the Jays are somehow going to get multiple guys back via trade that will end up hitting to that level? That's pretty rare. Understand I'm not opposed to a potential Vlad trade (though I don't think it will happen due to mainly business reasons) I just think he's the kind of guy that when he gets traded, he's easily the best guy in the trade and the guys you get back never get to his level. He's not a superstar on the field right now but he's worth massive money to Rogers as is.

Only Turner can do that. Vetrin presents.

Then we're pretty much on the same page. To me the solution really isn't finding a better 4th OF, it's putting KK in the actual 4th OF role, despite his salary

Nope. It's cuz Bassitt and Gausman said so.

I agree, but is there really a better 4th OF in all of MLB than KK? Getting paid way too much, granted...but as far as skills go, isn't he exactly what any team would want in a 4th OF?

Is there a tool out there that shows what locations of pitches he hits on the ground more often?

Compare him to Shohei.... realistically the only meaningful difference in Shohei vs Vlad is the LA Sweet Spot.... shohei 84th percentile, Vlad ... 23rd percentile. https://baseballsavant.mlb.com/savant-player/shohei-ohtani-660271?stats=statcast-r-hitting-mlb

Brownie literally just gave you a sample size of more than 3 years.... so not sure how this makes sense. Ya can't just say "use the 3 years up to a week ago.... because reasons" Olson wRC+ with RISP from 2021, 2022, 2023, and 2024 - 136 , 133, 193, 77 (overall wRC+ those same years - 147, 120, 160, 110) Alvarez wRC+ with RISP from those same years - 157, 152, 222, 75 (overall wRC+ those same years - 137, 185, 170, 145) Vlad wRC+ with RISP same years - 173, 116, 97, 125 (overall wRC+ 166, 133, 118, 136) Olson wrc+ with RISP compare to overall, worse, better, far better, far worse Yordan same comparisons - better, worse, otherworldly better, terribly worse Vlad - better, worse, worse, worse Its almost like they can't really control what they do with RISP, and the sample sizes induce large variance swings. Like, I don't think you would just say "boy it looks like Olson and Alvarez have just forgot how to hit with RISP this season..." But there are general truths like when a hitter hits well overall, they also hit well with RISP. When they aren't hitting well overall, they don't hit well with RISP. This myth that players can just summon the clutch ability at will it pure romanticist garbage.

I think it's such a niche play that doesn't happen very often it's pretty much a moot point. The real key is the play at 2B needing to be actually close enough for it to matter. However.... MLB rules thought of this already: Rule 6.01(a)(5)Any batter or runner who has just been put out, or any runner who has just scored, hinders or impedes any following play being made on a runner. Such runner shall be declared out for the interference of his teammate However..... Rule 6.01(a)(5) Comment: If the batter or a runner continues to advance or returns or attempts to return to his last legally touched base after he has been put out, he shall not by that act alone be considered as confusing, hindering or impeding the fielders.

Not that I'm an expert in body language, but there's something about Bo lately that makes me think he's mentally checked out

Wtf was that? Wow lol 35.2 mph EV, IF single deflects of 1b