John_Havok

Lets take a look at some trades form last years deadlines that are kinda close to what Jimi is doing this year. Yankees acquire RHP Keynan Middleton from White Sox for RHP Juan Carela - Carela is still only 21 years old. At High-A in 2023, the starting pitcher had a 2-4 record and 3.67 ERA, along with 11.8 K/9 IP.[/b] Brewers acquire LHP Andrew Chafin from D-backs for RHP Peter Strzelecki - Strzelecki is a 28-year-old righty who has posted a 3.69 ERA in 66 appearances over the past two seasons (4.54 ERA in 2023) after making his MLB debut in 2022[/b] Angels acquire RHP Dominic Leone from Mets for INF Jeremiah Jackson - Jackson, an infielder who was ranked as the No. 9 prospect in the Angels system. He was in AA[/b] D-backs acquire RHP Paul Sewald from Mariners for INF Josh Rojas, OF/1B Dominic Canzone and INF Ryan Bliss - Blue Jays acquire RHP Jordan Hicks from Cardinals for RHPs Sem Robberse and Adam Kloffenstein - Robberse was the Blue Jays' No. 7 prospect. Kloffenstein, a third-round Draft pick in 2018, had posted a 3.24 ERA at Double-A with 105 K's in 89 innings. Marlins acquire RHP David Robertson from Mets for INF Marco Vargas and C Ronald Hernández - In exchange for Robertson, a rental piece with an expiring contract, the Marlins shipped 18-year-old infielder Vargas (No. 18 prospect) and 19-year-old catcher Hernández (No. 21). Both are playing in the Rookie-level Florida Complex League. Rangers acquire LHP Aroldis Chapman from Royals for LHP Cole Ragans and OF Roni Cabrera - This was about a month before the deadline, and the entire baseball world knew this was a massive overpay. It worked out though since they won the WS and despite the clear win for KC in the trade, the Rangers are fine with it. I don't think the Jays are gonna get a Royals output from trading Jimi. Robertson and Hicks were both closers, as was Sewald, and Sewals was still under control for 2024. I put in the Middleton, Leone and Chafin deals as they were all very solid arms, but not closers, like Jimi. So it would seem like a return somewhere between those and the closer rentals would be something the Jays could expect for Jimi this season, assuming he comes back and throws a few dominant innings before he gets dealt. Maybe a team's prospect ranked in the 8-10 range plus a very low level lotto ticket

Maybe we're missing something with Bo. Did he suddenly go vegan?

I think if the Dodgers were willing to part with Miller for a few months of Kikuchi, I'd be seriously thinking about something being very wrong with Miller. Even in AAA this year his ability to miss bats has all but vanished.

Sure but, lets guess. would a team give up a guy in the top 100 for Kikuchi? I'm doubting so. I'm also just using the top 100 as a loose guideline since we know all teams will value players differently, though the higher you get in the rankings, or course the more consensus there might be from team to team on a guys value. Like, of all the guys being most likely moved... Jansen, Kikuchi, KK, Turner - is there even a remote chance of 1 guy in the top 100? Probably not. It's going to lottery tickets and maybe an arm or two that might be low leverage pen or 5th starter at best kind of returns.

Hard to say, even the Flaherty trade last season only returned two guys that were 15 and 19 in the receiving teams rankings. I don't really see much impact talent coming back from any of the obvious trade candidates tbh.

I mean... ya. That's a decent place to start

not really true since he turned down 4 other teams who wanted to draft him before the Jays took him. Those are his own words. Seems like he wanted to be in Toronto... at least in the start.

I hope it doesn't go that way, unless Vald has a monster 2025.

He's not getting 300 million either...unless a big chunk is deffered.

Exactly. The rules that gave Baltimore their current team aren't there anymore. Getting lucky to grab #1 overall like Cleveland was this past draft would be nice though. Although to truly make it the best possible scenario they have to get under the luxury tax so any comp picks for guys walking or forfeited picks for FA signs will be higher and lower respectively. Maybe a slick trade to get themselves a comp pick would help

Stop hailing Baltimore as a model franchise. Jays won't get comp picks and will never tank to the depths of s*** the Os did to pick at or near the top for 3-5 years

Sure looks that way

To be fair, anyone with a pulse that is even remotely talented has been promoted to the big club.

I have a feeling a blank check is being prepared for Soto. Which is also probably why we won't see any real movement of guys under control for next season. Jays will need to show Soto they have the horses to run with the Os.

Would still depend on the record. But if Bo was healthy and having a typical Bo season, the record is probably at least a few games closer to.500

The Jays have an A lineup?

Meh, I'd rather watch him than several current hitters. And if he sucks, all the better for tank nation

Trade him to the pirates?

Same stadium used to be the home of the Black Diamonds, the rookie level affiliate with the Diamondbacks

Yeah the WCBL is making good strides in the past 10 years or so in the quality of baseball. All the players, aside from the locals, are D1 and D2 college players from the US

True, but he went there after he was drafted. Back then you didn't have to sign with the team that drafted you for like a year or something. He was holding out on Baltimore as they were lowballing him.

Adam Loewen i believe...4th overall.

He also said "out of quantity comes quality" And if your look at a lot of his trades....he didn't really come out very well. In fact, a guy did go back and look at all the trades he could that Rickey made, he came out 311 bWAR in the hole and seems he made a lot of trades just to pocket the money involved.

As long as there's a good enough return, sure

And should probably be mentioned that it's not the pitchers who made the decision to not get conditioned to go longer Pitchers, no doubt, want to throw more innings. It's just come down to hitters being so much better that overall they can't just pitch to contact and get through innings efficiently and/or regularly with their 90-92 sinkers anymore. Miss bats, or you're fighting an uphill battle