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I meaaaannnnn Moreno is amazing and Jansen's value is peaking offensively and the team could really use pitching sooooo

Pathetic talent gap on display Montgomery is their #5 basically and he is so legit Toronto's middle relievers are useless against good hitters

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connor, you are just not mentally equipped to have discussions about stuff like this IT'S OKAY THOUGH WE ALL HAVE THINGS WE ARE GOOD AT ALLAH LOVES YOU NO MATTER WHAT

You could just listen to people talk about the sport. It's all pretty obvious if you have any brain cells. Have fun in Morocco.

And you don't CARE about the anecdotes, duh. The questions are (generalizing to make the point): A: If we have 1000 pitchers throw at 95% intensity (average) for 110 pitches per outing, how many would blow their arms out in the first six years of their career? B: If we have 1000 pitchers throw at 80% intensity (average) for 110 pitches per outing, how many would blow their arms out in the first six years of their career? C: If we have 1000 pitchers throw at 95% intensity (average) for 80 pitches per outing, how many would blow their arms out in the first six years of their career? Assume the answer under A is 300 pitchers and under B it's only 150 pitchers. The Verlanders and Nolan Ryans - the unicorns - are still going to exist and probably survive and buck all the trends under any paradigm of usage. But if you need your pitchers to throw like demons to get people out and limiting their volume (option C) helps you keep them healthy during team control (say only 150 pitchers die during the first 6 years again, like the old days) then it might make economic sense to do that. It might make strategic sense to do that.

Verlander was famous for ramping up as games went along. He used to start games throwing 93 and finish them sitting 99/100...

You are leaving your son? Eyes on what matters man You don't need to get your dick wet anymore. You're old. Just jerk off twice a day and die alone.

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I think if they non-tender Tapia next year they do save like $6M

Toronto will win by 5 runs

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the percentages are for illustration only, I have know idea what the actual intensity differences would be. I am making a general point about pitching effort and how that has changed over time. It's a generalization on purpose... I don't really care if Nolan Ryan or someone else as an anecdote threw at 100% intensity all the time and still made it through a 300 win career by survivorship bias

Absolutely, everything is harder Pitchers have to throw these wicked sliders at 100% arm speed nowadays. And some of them have to throw like 60% breaking balls to make it...

I think so but maybe it's closer than I assume You'd have to look at both UZR or the OAA from statcast and positional adjustments

The Toronto Blue Jays should have traded Randal Grichuk for Sandy Alcantara there, I said it.

Well let's not be crazy. Gurriel is definitely the worst OF on the team.

Grichuk had negative or zero value though. Toronto basically fleeced the Rockies for that prospect...

It's about the effort per pitch, not raw velocity Marco Estrada throwing 91 = as much strain on his arm as Alek Manoah throwing 97 In past decades really good pitchers like Roy Halladay could essentially cruise through a game at 85% intensity There are not many guys who can do that anymore simply because the game is more competitive... the vast majority of pitchers have to throw 100% intensity every pitch (hence they can't even cut it as full time MLB starters and they are only qualified to be relievers or openers). Even the starters who can cut it without going all out max effort every pitch probably have to throw at a wayyyy higher average intensity than the guys in past decades. The guys who used to throw 300+ innings were probably throwing each pitch at like 70% physical intensity...

why would you assume they didn't? every GM in baseball probably wakes up to a nice text message and smiley emoji from Ross

I think they would have dealt him, just a slightly different deal. Maybe Grichuk + a few million for the prospect.

Bumgarner we can fix her