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Zips and Steamer both have TDA as a true talent 104 wRC+ guy. JPA at 85ish. So a 20% difference in projected offenive talent already. lol

Obvious Darrell bait was obvious.

Touche.

Career leader in wJT+

With all due respect, I think you're a little off here too (though obviously not anywhere near the level of some of the mouth breathers in this thread). DIPS are not merely predictive of ERA. They are also a measurement of a result set. The elements of that result set are deemed to be a more direct measure of things the pitcher can control. If this weren't the case, there would be no argument to use FIP in WAR. WAR is simply a valuation framework, an economic tool, for translating a result set into value in a more tangible form. If we want prediction, we use a projection system. While they all use many of the same principles that went into the creation of FIP, xFIP, is a different mechanism.

Considering scouts can't evaluate range, I don't think we should be assuming pitchers are any better this. With this line of thinking, I'm sure many would have wanted groundballs hit to Derek Jeter (someone who always looked better at SS than he was) throughout his career. This is a quantifiable losing strategy. Voros McCracken is not an agent. Basically everywhere if you hired someone to analyze your performance properly. Teasing out the effects of random variation and understanding the statistical distribution the domain is governed by are about the 2 most fundamental concepts in any sort of analytics (company performance, department performance, employee performance etc), not just sports/baseball. It just so happens that this task is about as easy as it gets in baseball. That's why we use it so confidently. This is another common fallacy you see and hear mentioned all the time. High strikeout totals do not drive up pitch counts. Strikeouts and pitch counts have negligible correlation. I know that's counter intuitive, it was for me the first time I saw the study(ies) but it's also true. It's one of the biggest reasons why the pitch-to-contact school of thought is so completely flawed.

Lol Wow. Epic troll thread. 2 years ago on the old board I probably would have had an aneurysm.

Twiggy alien bastards gotta stick together. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZCSy50SjXro

The complete lack of nutrition/training for the old guys is exactly what I was referring to. So attempting to nullify that point is pretty stupid.

ITT: People pining so hard for Reed Johnson 2.0.

Sure, that's fine. But I have no idea why we would want to add MORE variance to the playoffs by adding 8 more teams. The 162 game season needs to mean substantially more than the playoffs.

In short, points 2-5 would be absolutely awful for the players. I don't see what they do other than enrich the owners. The idea that there is no parity in baseball is such a myth. Point 6: A mandatory 10% tax on revenue has the potential to immediately cripple a small market team. Plus, can you imagine the politics/infighting that would go into who gets the next stadium built? It's tough enough to get 1 of these structures built with 1 ownership group involved per project, let alone 30. Point 7: Just cut to the chase and eliminate umps from calling balls and strikes.

Sounds perfect for his GQ sequel.

His bomb off Dempster last night was pretty funny. Lol @ Ryan f***ing Dempster trying to police the integrity of the game. ARod looked awkwardly self satisfied as usual rounding the bases. I'm guessing he made out with the centaur selfie when he got home.

I don't know how it's possible, but I actually have started to like ARod more. I think it's just the comparison of the utter shitbags on the other side of the table. Bud Selig is probably a bottom 5 human being.

Yah, he's a really strange case. Both the rise and fall were quite unexpected.

Well, I'd venture to say that if you plucked any one of these guys them straight out of 1940 or whatever, would really touch modern pitching. Nobody actually threw hard back then despite all the urban legend ********. They were all a bunch of non athletes by today's standards. Put Trout/Stanton in 1940 and they'd probably wRC+ 300.

I also think I own half of his auction $ next year.

12 team league. Drafted ok, got a bit unlucky and started losing despite having real assets and decided to tear down my entire team to acquire that as my core. I'm missing the playoffs this year. Drafted Heyward. Traded Votto plus Aramis Ramirez plus Kuroda for Trout preseason. (This is a wOBA league and Votto is a beast. Who knew Trout would laugh at the idea of regressing to the mean). Traded Matt Moore + Chris Davis for Harper (right in the middle of Harper's knee troubles). Bought Stanton (would have to explain the economic system in the league. Nobody cares enough to be reading this post let alone that explanation). Edit: actually it was for a shitload of $ plus Taijuan Walker.

I'm not trying to be a dick just for the sake of being a dick, but I really, really dislike almost every idea there.

There's no other answer than Babe Ruth.

I'm pretty comfortable with my Trout/Stanton/Harper/Heyward OF/Util for the foreseeable future. But rest assured, you'll be paying top $.

You're welcome. Personally though, I think I have Buxton #4 behind OT and Xman and Correa. Correa and Buxton are going to go for ALOT in The League's auction next year. Sidenote: Poor NJH (I'm sorry).

Lets also not forget the year he OBP'd over .600.

Lets say Bonds started juicing in 2000. Even before then he was far and away the best player in the league. I mean, just look at this: http://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?pos=all&stats=bat&lg=all&qual=y&type=8&season=1999&month=0&season1=1986&ind=0&team=0&rost=0&age=0&filter=&players=0 At least we'll never have to ask the question: "What would it look like if you took a top 5 player in history and shot him full of roids?". A 220 wRC+ with plus fielding over 4 years is the answer.