OFFSEASON THREAD, '27...

[jaysblue]

3 hours ago, Terminator said:

Ok new topic and let's keep this baseball related. Is there anyone that we could trade Santander to? Please ignore the scandal but are there any fits where someone needs a LF/DH and has someone on a similarly bad contract that we could swap? 

Is Anthony Rendon still in baseball? 

[jaysblue]

3 hours ago, Terminator said:

Ok new topic and let's keep this baseball related. Is there anyone that we could trade Santander to? Please ignore the scandal but are there any fits where someone needs a LF/DH and has someone on a similarly bad contract that we could swap? 

Marcus Semien (25M AAV)

Aaron Nola (24.5M AAV)

Trevor Story (23M AAV)

Dansby Swanson (25M AAV)

 

[Brownie19]

14 hours ago, Terminator said:

Ok new topic and let's keep this baseball related. Is there anyone that we could trade Santander to? Please ignore the scandal but are there any fits where someone needs a LF/DH and has someone on a similarly bad contract that we could swap? 

Not until he proves he's healthy, unless you're taking back another disastrous contract.

[Brownie19]

10 hours ago, jaysblue said:

Is Anthony Rendon still in baseball? 

This is closer to the type of deal it would need to be than the other 4 you listed.

[Terminator]

1 hour ago, Brownie19 said:

Not until he proves he's healthy, unless you're taking back another disastrous contract.

[Terminator]

15 hours ago, Eat My Shatkins said:

Jung Hoo Lee?

Probably not as bad as Santander but costs more.

Yeah something like that, although I think Taters is a terrible fit for that park

honestly he fits us as well as anyone. We need right handed bats and power and have playing time available at both corner OF and DH

[jaysblue]

1 hour ago, Brownie19 said:

This is closer to the type of deal it would need to be than the other 4 you listed.

Or Kris Bryant. 

[jaysblue]

2 minutes ago, Terminator said:

Yeah something like that, although I think Taters is a terrible fit for that park

honestly he fits us as well as anyone. We need right handed bats and power and have playing time available at both corner OF and DH

Yeah, I think it’s best to just keep him around as depth. If he’s healthy, the Jays will find ways to get his bat into the lineup. I just wouldn’t reserve a starting spot for him. They can’t go into 2027 for the third straight year counting on him to be a major part of the offense. Anything he gives you at this point should be treated as a bonus.

[jaysblue]

Hopefully next week we start seeing some big signings and trades happen. 

[jaysblue]

“Multiple Teams” Showing Interest In Ty France

[Brownie19]

https://www.mlb.com/news/where-every-mlb-team-starts-2026-2027-offseason

This ranks us tied for 8th heading into the offseason.  

[BTS]

Jays interested in Brandon Lowe 

GM Meetings notebook: Could Blue Jays be interested in Brandon Lowe? - Sportsnet.ca

[Eat My Shatkins]

Yes please, go get Lowe and Suzuki.

Maybe having 5 or 6 other bats capable of 30+ homers in the line up will take some heat and pressure off of Vlad.

[glory]

Lowe with a QO attached is pretty gross, IMO. The defensive improvement in 2026 seems completely unsustainable and he turns 33 next July. 

Keegan Matheson mentioned a little while back that Atkins is seriously looking into upgrading the team's base running next season. The best fit there remains Jazz. Without the QO, he seems like the best option here. If you have to hold your nose with his quotes and attitude, that's fine if he can provide a 4+ WAR with speed and power. I'm sure he won't disrupt the gatorade showers or jacket routine. 

[jaysblue]

4 minutes ago, Eat My Shatkins said:

Yes please, go get Lowe and Suzuki.

Maybe having 5 or 6 other bats capable of 30+ homers in the line up will take some heat and pressure off of Vlad.

Funny the way you're saying it. Like the Jays are paying Vladdy $500M but need 5 to 6 other capable 30+ HR's bat to get elite Vladdy back haha. 

On a serious note, I agree - I think adding another elite bat or two would definitely help take the pressure off. Doubt we ever see his 2021 version ever again, but would take his 2024 version in a heartbeat. Heck even his 2022 and 2025 version with his October heroics again would be welcomed. 

[Eat My Shatkins]

1 hour ago, jaysblue said:

Funny the way you're saying it. Like the Jays are paying Vladdy $500M but need 5 to 6 other capable 30+ HR's bat to get elite Vladdy back haha. 

On a serious note, I agree - I think adding another elite bat or two would definitely help take the pressure off. Doubt we ever see his 2021 version ever again, but would take his 2024 version in a heartbeat. Heck even his 2022 and 2025 version with his October heroics again would be welcomed. 

Yeah, it's a sad state of affairs with Vladdy right now

[jaysblue]

Just now, glory said:

Lowe with a QO attached is pretty gross, IMO. The defensive improvement in 2026 seems completely unsustainable and he turns 33 next July. 

Keegan Matheson mentioned a little while back that Atkins is seriously looking into upgrading the team's base running next season. The best fit there remains Jazz. Without the QO, he seems like the best option here. If you have to hold your nose with his quotes and attitude, that's fine if he can provide a 4+ WAR with speed and power. I'm sure he won't disrupt the gatorade showers or jacket routine. 

Yeah 100% agreed.

I like Lowe, but if I had a choice, would go with Jazz hands down, especially without the QO attached. 

I also don't trust Lowe to post a 4-5 WAR season again. I think he's good for 2-3 WAR at least, worst case. Jazz worst case posted a 3.5 WAR season. Think he offers more upside, especially with the power/speed combo he offers. 

[Stangstag]

13 minutes ago, jaysblue said:

Yeah 100% agreed.

I like Lowe, but if I had a choice, would go with Jazz hands down, especially without the QO attached. 

I also don't trust Lowe to post a 4-5 WAR season again. I think he's good for 2-3 WAR at least, worst case. Jazz worst case posted a 3.5 WAR season. Think he offers more upside, especially with the power/speed combo he offers. 

We’re not signing Jazz, so just start throwing the hissy fit now and get it out of the way

[Terminator]

The 2B projections are really tight between the 4 second base options.

Steamer600:

• Jazz: 2.8 WAR, 101 wRC+
• Arraez: 2.7 WAR, 109 wRC+
• Lowe: 2.4 WAR, 107 wRC+
• Torres: 2.2 WAR, 108 wRC+

-Jazz' baserunning and defense are standout tools for him but his bat actually projects the worst.

-Torres actually has a good OBP (unlike Jazz and Lowe) and some power (unlike Arraez) but his defense stinks. But are Arraez and Lowe actually better with the glove? Not sold on that.

-Lowe is all power and a low BA leads to low OBP.

-Arraez is the opposite of Lowe, no power but a high BA leads to a high OBP.

All 4 are probably an improvement over a Clement (1.8 WAR) and Smith (1.2) platoon. 

EDIT: Almost forgot but Lowe received a QO while the other 3 did not. 

[Stangstag]

2 minutes ago, Terminator said:

The 2B projections are really tight between the 4 second base options.

Steamer600:

• Jazz: 2.8 WAR, 101 wRC+
• Arraez: 2.7 WAR, 109 wRC+
• Lowe: 2.4 WAR, 107 wRC+
• Torres: 2.2 WAR, 108 wRC+

-Jazz' baserunning and defense are standout tools for him but his bat actually projects the worst and drags him down.

-Torres actually has a good OBP (unlike Jazz and Lowe) and some power (unlike Arraez) but his defense stinks. But are Arraez and Lowe actually better with the glove? Not completely sold.

-Lowe is all power but had Ks and a low BA leads to low OBP.

-Arraez is similar to Lowe but a high BA leads to a high OBP.

All 4 are probably an improvement over a Clement (1.8 WAR) and Smith (1.2) platoon. 

Just looking at these 4, our front office probably has them ranked as follows:

1. Arraez 

2. Lowe

3. Jazz

4. Torres

[Terminator]

I know there are reasons for it but my god, does EVERY single outfielder in baseball have to hit left handed these days. It's insane how few right handed hitting outfielders there are. 

[max silver]

1 hour ago, jaysblue said:

Yeah 100% agreed.

I like Lowe, but if I had a choice, would go with Jazz hands down, especially without the QO attached. 

I also don't trust Lowe to post a 4-5 WAR season again. I think he's good for 2-3 WAR at least, worst case. Jazz worst case posted a 3.5 WAR season. Think he offers more upside, especially with the power/speed combo he offers. 

I'd be fine with either of Lowe or Chisolm. Lowe would inject some much needed thump into a toothless lineup and somehow managed to improve by 27 DRS/29 OAA from the prior season. Chisolm would present a nice power/speed combination with excellent defense, albeit with a tendency to make some high profile mistakes in the field at inopportune moments.  I tend to agree that the lack of qualifying offer makes Chisolm more attractive as the club will already likely be seeing their draft position drop by 10 spots depending on what happens with the new CBA.

[Spanky__99]

1 hour ago, jaysblue said:

Funny the way you're saying it. Like the Jays are paying Vladdy $500M but need 5 to 6 other capable 30+ HR's bat to get elite Vladdy back haha. 

On a serious note, I agree - I think adding another elite bat or two would definitely help take the pressure off. Doubt we ever see his 2021 version ever again, but would take his 2024 version in a heartbeat. Heck even his 2022 and 2025 version with his October heroics again would be welcomed. 

Everything hinges on 27, last year was a prime example. I've prayed to the Baseball Gods for this f***er to produce.

[Eat My Shatkins]

2 hours ago, Terminator said:

I know there are reasons for it but my god, does EVERY single outfielder in baseball have to hit left handed these days. It's insane how few right handed hitting outfielders there are. 

Come on down Seiya.

[Jays24]

Mets sign Skubal and then look to dump Bo's contract.  I want him back with the Mets eating 15M per season.  

[Jays24]

Report: Rangers to explore Seager trade

https://thescore.com/mlb/news/3651620

[glory]

Some notes just posted by Mitch Bannon:

There are free agents like Jazz Chisholm Jr. and Brandon Lowe that could provide power at second, but the infield is also an area with intriguing names on the trade market. The Jays could return to discussions they had at the 2026 trade deadline for Washington Nationals infielder CJ Abrams or Los Angeles Angels shortstop Zach Neto (though the Angels don’t currently have a general manager). Toronto, at least internally, also discussed a move for San Francisco Giants infielder Willy Adames, though the remaining $155 million on his contract probably isn’t that appealing given his recent struggles. At the very least, teams have shown willingness to move the sort of infielder that’d be a clear offensive improvement for Toronto.

Bannon also mentioned Barger as a CF option (??) and Keys getting work at 2B this winter. Keys getting the Spencer Horwitz treatment tells me he’s probably on the move at some point. 

[Eat My Shatkins]

I like the idea of Abrams, but isn't he wanting to play SS but is terrible at it?

If he'd move to 2B he'd be a nice bat to add to the line up. Probably lose a really good pitching prospect or two though.

[Jays24]

Skubal to meet with 6 teams, including Mets, Dodgers, Padres

https://thescore.com/mlb/news/3651850

Who do people think the 3 mystery teams are?  I assumed it would be us and a surprise team like the Tigers.  

[jaysblue]

Tigers Agree to One-Year, $11M Deal With Reliever Emilio Pagan, Heyman Reports.