Offseason Roster Thread 2025-26

[jmomcc]

29 minutes ago, mphenhef said:

Did we?  They have targeted pitchers who they believe can stay healthy in Gausman, Berrios and Bassitt.

Santander was injured or ineffective the bulk of the year. Bo missed a month and Springer, Vlad and Kirk all had IL stints.

Scherzer missed extended time.

Berrios and Bassitt missed some time.  Bowden too although that could have been a Avoid the minors injury.

They lost Sandlin and Yimi for the bulk of the season.

 

I don't know that I would consider that fantastic luck?

Yea just scherzer missing significant time in the rotation is fantastic luck. 

I'd say we had a way worse injury year on the hitting side. 

[Stangstag]

39 minutes ago, jmomcc said:

I mean we also got fantastic injury luck last year. That might not repeat. 

Anyway, in comparison to the dodgers its not deep. Its not terrible tho. 

I feel like we’ve heard this like 4 years in a row now regarding “injury luck” with the rotation.

Maybe the front office just understands you can’t have a rotation full of 100mph gas throwers because that’s asking for trouble?

[Jimcanuck]

2 hours ago, BTS said:

Let's not get carried away here  

Good on ya, admitting defeat

[jmomcc]

3 minutes ago, Stangstag said:

I feel like we’ve heard this like 4 years in a row now regarding “injury luck” with the rotation.

Maybe the front office just understands you can’t have a rotation full of 100mph gas throwers because that’s asking for trouble?

Its both. They do a good job with selecting for health but also its a good year when only one starter misses much time. 

[Jayzfan79]

Apparently its being viewed that the Blue Jays are being looked at as the favorite to possibly land Tucker.

[Jimcanuck]

52 minutes ago, Jayzfan79 said:

Apparently its being viewed that the Blue Jays are being looked at as the favorite to possibly land Tucker.

We've been down this path before

[GoBlue41]

1 hour ago, Jayzfan79 said:

Apparently its being viewed that the Blue Jays are being looked at as the favorite to possibly land Tucker.

Has anyone started tracking planes yet?? 
I want Tucker but I want Tucker AND Bo!

[Spanky__99]

2 hours ago, Jimcanuck said:

Yes it is, comparatively

Comparatively to what exactly? You can go to Fantrax.com and sort the Jays starting pitching back to '21, and the SP usage has been relatively the same with predominately using 6 starters per season, funny thing is last season we used 8 SP's, the most in nearly a decade... you folks that are saying this past season our pitching staff had lucky health are huffing some great model glue I tell ya. Birds all of ya. 🦤😅

[Jimcanuck]

13 minutes ago, Spanky__99 said:

you folks that are saying this past season our pitching staff had lucky health are huffing some great model glue I tell ya

With Spanky, every accusation is a confession

[Spanky__99]

13 minutes ago, Jimcanuck said:

With Spanky, every accusation is a confession

You're wrong, again. Just sayin'...

[max silver]

3 hours ago, mphenhef said:

Did we?  They have targeted pitchers who they believe can stay healthy in Gausman, Berrios and Bassitt.

Santander was injured or ineffective the bulk of the year. Bo missed a month and Springer, Vlad and Kirk all had IL stints.

Scherzer missed extended time.

Berrios and Bassitt missed some time.  Bowden too although that could have been a Avoid the minors injury.

They lost Sandlin and Yimi for the bulk of the season.

 

I don't know that I would consider that fantastic luck?

Varsho and Gimenez both missed major amounts of time due to injury as well. I think the team actually had pretty rotten injury luck last season but was able to weather the storm due to very effective minor league depth and well managed bullpen games when required. 

[jaysblue]

15 hours ago, Eat My Shatkins said:

Not sure if it was on purpose, but it worked for the Dodgers. Snell, Ohtani and Glasnow hardly pitched last season until later on.

Yeah I've read some things about how the Dodgers saved their top SP arms and didn't push them too hard until later on in the season. Wonder if was part of the plan from Day 1 and there were some phantom IL stints for the sake of it. They saved up everyone for the Postseason and that's why we saw guys like Snell, Glasnow and Ohtani deal for them before the World Series lol. Yamamoto was their only starter who made 30 starts during the regular season.  

[jaysblue]

If the Jays did sign Woodruff, I would save him for the second half and the Postseason.

Sign Bassitt for $15M to start games from April - August/September. 

Gausman, Bieber, Yesavage, Bassitt, Berrios is your rotation out of the gate. Lauer, Francis, Varland (if they stretch him out), Lucas, + a couple of MiLB signing are all depth. Bring Woodruff along where he is ready to start after the All-Star break or in August. 

Bassitt moves back to the pen in the Postseason. Boom. Your rotation includes Woodruff, Gausman, Yesavage and Bieber. Not bad at all. 

[jmomcc]

51 minutes ago, max silver said:

Varsho and Gimenez both missed major amounts of time due to injury as well. I think the team actually had pretty rotten injury luck last season but was able to weather the storm due to very effective minor league depth and well managed bullpen games when required. 

We were pretty clearly talking about starting pitching. 

The original point is that we cannot do what the dodgers do because we don't have their depth. Or their talent. They have 4 pitchers probably better than our best. Or at least three. 

[max silver]

8 minutes ago, jmomcc said:

We were pretty clearly talking about starting pitching. 

The original point is that we cannot do what the dodgers do because we don't have their depth. Or their talent. They have 4 pitchers probably better than our best. Or at least three. 

The Blue Jays suffered a lot of injuries to their starting pitching. All of Berrios, Bassitt, Francis and Scherzer missed time due to injury. If you are trying to suggest that the Blue Jays didn't suffer a lot of injury to their rotation this season you simply weren't paying attention.

[Spanky__99]

53 minutes ago, jaysblue said:

Yeah I've read some things about how the Dodgers saved their top SP arms and didn't push them too hard until later on in the season. Wonder if was part of the plan from Day 1 and there were some phantom IL stints for the sake of it. They saved up everyone for the Postseason and that's why we saw guys like Snell, Glasnow and Ohtani deal for them before the World Series lol. Yamamoto was their only starter who made 30 starts during the regular season.  

Phantom IL, lol.

 

[jmomcc]

11 minutes ago, max silver said:

The Blue Jays suffered a lot of injuries to their starting pitching. All of Berrios, Bassitt, Francis and Scherzer missed time due to injury. If you are trying to suggest that the Blue Jays didn't suffer a lot of injury to their rotation this season you simply weren't paying attention.

We had three pitchers break 160 innings. That's a good health year. 

[Spanky__99]

2 hours ago, Spanky__99 said:

Comparatively to what exactly? You can go to Fantrax.com and sort the Jays starting pitching back to '21, and the SP usage has been relatively the same with predominately using 6 starters per season, funny thing is last season we used 8 SP's, the most in nearly a decade... you folks that are saying this past season our pitching staff had lucky health are huffing some great model glue I tell ya. Birds all of ya. 🦤😅

 

12 minutes ago, max silver said:

The Blue Jays suffered a lot of injuries to their starting pitching. All of Berrios, Bassitt, Francis and Scherzer missed time due to injury. If you are trying to suggest that the Blue Jays didn't suffer a lot of injury to their rotation this season you simply weren't paying attention.

Yup.

 

[Jonn]

Grisham accepting the QO effectively eliminates the Yankees from the off-season. Unless they plan to be a tax team this Season or can find a sucker to take on money.

[Spanky__99]

4 minutes ago, jmomcc said:

We had three pitchers break 160 innings. That's a good health year. 

They've pretty much done the same for the last 5 years? They targeted healthy pitching and succeeded at it.

[jmomcc]

3 minutes ago, Spanky__99 said:

They've pretty much done the same for the last 5 years? They targeted healthy pitching and succeeded at it.

sorry, wasn't the original point that we could try to do what the dodgers do? 
 

okay, we have 2 guys who can eat innings. So, we re-sign Bassitt to make that three. When do we sign the three oft injured aces for the postseason? 

[glory]

Tiedemann added to the 40 man roster. 

[Spanky__99]

2 minutes ago, jmomcc said:

sorry, wasn't the original point that we could try to do what the dodgers do? 
 

okay, we have 2 guys who can eat innings. So, we re-sign Bassitt to make that three. When do we sign the three oft injured aces for the postseason? 

Huh? What the Dodgers do is spend out their ass and develop flame throwers with spin, it's the reason why they suffer so many injuries throughout the 40 Man roster. They don't GAF.

As for the latter, that's a lot of assumption. The Jays have Gausman/Bieber/Yesavage/Berrios and FA incoming, Bassitt would be a depth add at most, don't know why you even brought him up, he's a FA? We're not the Dodgers in payroll, not even close, this year remains to be seen on that front.

[jmomcc]

Just now, Spanky__99 said:

Huh? What the Dodgers do is spend out their ass and develop flame throwers with spin, it's the reason why they suffer so many injuries throughout the 40 Man roster. They don't GAF.

As for the latter, that's a lot of assumption. The Jays have Gausman/Bieber/Yesavage/Berrios and FA incoming, Bassitt would be a depth add at most, don't know why you even brought him up, he's a FA? We're not the Dodgers in payroll, not even close, this year remains to be seen on that front.

I brought it up because it was the genesis of the whole conversation. 

The dodgers are excellent at pitching development and they spend out of their ass. Its not replicable. 

[Spanky__99]

4 minutes ago, jmomcc said:

I brought it up because it was the genesis of the whole conversation. 

The dodgers are excellent at pitching development and they spend out of their ass. Its not replicable. 

Sure, I absolutely agree with that, but you posted that the Jays were lucky in SP health, did you not? If you didn't my bad, but the team last season used far more SP than any Jays team in the last 5 years, is that SP luck? Half a decade... not a chance.

[Spanky__99]

This is what I'm referencing to you and jimmyc... 

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I mean we also got fantastic injury luck last year. That might not repeat. 

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Yes it is, comparatively

This is false.

[Spanky__99]

4 hours ago, Stangstag said:

I feel like we’ve heard this like 4 years in a row now regarding “injury luck” with the rotation.

Maybe the front office just understands you can’t have a rotation full of 100mph gas throwers because that’s asking for trouble?

Correct... hence my point, lol. I missed this earlier today.

[Jimcanuck]

15 minutes ago, Spanky__99 said:

This is what I'm referencing to you and jimmyc... 

This is false.

It's true.  Prove me wrong.

[Spanky__99]

9 minutes ago, Jimcanuck said:

It's true.  Prove me wrong.

I asked you the question first, sir?

[Jonn]

4 hours ago, Jimcanuck said:

We've been down this path before

I hate this negative mentality. Do know certain teams don't even get a seat at that table and wish they did? The fact that the Jays are in these conversations and maybe just missing out isn't a bad thing. Someone is always going to finish second. When your competing with the Dodgers for Free Agents its a difficult challenge. They have massive pedigree of success. They don't play in a good division like the Blue Jays do and obviously LA has a certain allure to it. It's not just money that keeps the Jays in these conversations. They are impressed by the organization from a presentation perspective, facilities, how they treat families.  All these things come into play.